[discuss] [IANAtransition] Troll

Tue Apr 15 23:03:26 UTC 2014

Greg,

I am afraid you confuse ad hominem and ad personam. I think one 
should be carefull at not cofnusing terms, because this would to 
exactly do what Jefsey wants: to show the NTIA, the world and FLOSS 
that the ICANN MS community can only ban competition and is unable to 
cooperate with VGN Masters. This would legitimate their claim that 
they must develop their own "fail secure plan for the net" in case 
they are unwelcome.  They would love that you ban a network pioneer: 
he would make the head-lines during Sao Paulo, and ten other ones 
would replace him.

M G

At 23:53 15/04/2014, Shatan, Gregory S. wrote:
>"Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or 
>argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the 
>author of or the person presenting the claim or argument."
>
>I don't see anything ad hominem about Jay Daley's message, since it 
>goes to the nature of the texts, not the writer.  On the other hand, 
>accusing someone of being a mouthpiece for another organization or 
>"blundering", strikes me as ad hominem.
>
>Greg Shatan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ianatransition-bounces at icann.org 
>[mailto:ianatransition-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Jefsey
>Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 5:45 PM
>To: Jay Daley; ianatransition at icann.org; discuss at 1net.org List
>Subject: Re: [IANAtransition] Troll
>
>At last!
>
>It took time! To know what would be the ICANN decision!
>So it is delivered through an NZ ad-hominem. Good, now we know.
>
>Sorry, I am quite buzzy right now....
>I will come back on this later on.
>
>jfc
>
>PS. If this was not an ICANN decision but an individual blunder, 
>ICANN people can let me know.
>
>
>
>At 22:51 15/04/2014, Jay Daley wrote:
> >Are there others out there who would agree with me that this list is
> >being overwhelmed by messages from at least one troll?  In
> >particular messages that make ludicrous claims, provide nonsensical
> >analysis, follow arbitrary directions and altogether are disruptive
> >to the conversation taking place?
> >In my view this list is too important and already too time consuming
> >to allow any trolls to disrupt it in this way.
> >If so then what if any process do we have for removing such a troll?
> >I note that the IETF, which is a long established multi-stakeholder
> >organisation has also had problems like this and has occasionally
> >had to ban people.  Those bans were then subject to two levels of appeal:
> >
> >https://www.ietf.org/iesg/appeal.html
> >https://www.iab.org/appeals/
> >
> >cheers
> >Jay
> >
> >PS I have posted the same message to discuss at 1net.org
>
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