[discuss] Troll

Wed Apr 16 11:19:12 UTC 2014

Strikes me that this conversation of fixing the broken - on both sides - 
is the waste of time we have been seeking to avoid.  While the list is 
way too packed with conspiracy theory, presumption presented as fact, 
over generalizations and impractical arguments, for my taste, and 
despite resulting in less marginal utility, the comments are not 
irrelevant to the conversation.  This list has never been limited to the 
narrower issues that might be relevant to Brazil. Early on we had a 
person suggesting salary information and all sorts of personal invective 
and non-sense.  To me that was a troll.  What we have now is perhaps 
much less than optimal in productivity, but not out of bounds with a 
broad view of the list's topical relevance.  A positive reminder for 
people to keep to thread topics or start new topics  and perhaps a 
request for greater care and delineation between opinion and 
demonstrated fact could be more helpful.  At the maximum, I think we 
could suggest that some threads are not topical to this list and ask 
that they be pursued elsewhere.  It would also be useful for posters not 
to presuppose that they speak on behalf of the unseen majority, unless 
there is some demonstration that they have an actual representative 
capacity.  One may otherwise opine /beliefs that most people might think 
that/... as a more accurate phrasing.

Short hand: a vote for enhanced civility, productivity and fact-based 
argument on all sides.  Absent those, the list will become irrelevant on 
its own with no need for exclusions.

Best

Joe
On 4/15/2014 9:20 PM, Jefsey wrote:
> At 02:27 16/04/2014, George Sadowsky wrote:
>> I agree.  The Steering Committee has agreed to put into effect 
>> certain processes to deal with this, modeled after IETF procedures 
>> for dealing with the same behavior.  We should see a proposal, and 
>> then hopefully something being put into practice very soon.
>
> Great!
>
> This implies the clarification on the ICANN/NTIA position regarding 
> their conception of what is an enhanced cooperation, in particular 
> with the multitude's stakeholders.
>
> I am back from my evening working meeting on VGNs. People were quite 
> pleased with the "troll" mails: every of us wait for this, now 
> annouced, clarification. It was made urgent by the today's parallel  
> "so many of your statements here are false or twisted in your assumed 
> implications that it hurts" rude words of a former ICANN VP to Carlos 
> A. Afonso, the civil society artesan of the NETmundial, for his 
> gallant presentation of the user's genuine vision of the status of the 
> I*leaders' RFC 6852 internet.
>
> The Steering Committee position will be a test for the NTIA. It will 
> help us to know far better what the olicannopole's MSism and 
> globalization can be, just in time before the Sao Paulo meeting. I 
> obviously hope that VGN Masters, IUsers of the Multitude and end-users 
> (on a non pay-vote basis) will be able to cooperate with the new ICANN 
> toward an architectural innovative revamp of the global catenet under 
> a neutral internet reviewed, consolidated, and extended trustable 
> technology.
>
> jfc
>
>
>
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