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Anyone know what is going on with this WEF-GIG Initiative? 

I just clicked on the link  http://www.weforum.org/issues/global-internet-governance to jot down some information about the 8/28 meeting, and what I got was this:

Sorry, access denied. You are not authorized to access this page.

That's not very transparent.

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   1. Re: NetMundial Initiative (Pindar Wong)

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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:12:44 +0800
From: Pindar Wong <pindar.wong at gmail.com>
To: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
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I guess the details will surface during tomorrow's event.

However does anyone know the remote participation details?

>From the FAQ: ' Both working sessions and the press conference will be
webcast live, and there will be an active blog and discussion board established to facilitate a two-way flow of information with the public'

p.

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 5:19 AM, Stephanie Perrin < stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:

>  I am very curious as to what the precise funding is for the NMI 
> initiative at the WEF.  Does anyone know?
> Kind regards,
> Stephanie Perrin
> On 2014-08-15, 2:14, Nnenna Nwakanma wrote:
>
>   I woke up early this morning and read Anne Jellema (CEO of Web 
> Foundation)'s blog post. She titled it "Fall of Internet Governance?"
>
>  I found it interesting, especially from the civil society point of view.
>
> Nnenna
>
> On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 5:13 AM, Chip Sharp (chsharp) 
> <chsharp at cisco.com>
> wrote:
>
>>  Nick, all,
>> I hope you all are doing well.  Please keep in mind that what has 
>> been leaked is an invitation list, not an attendance list.  I don't 
>> assume it is a list of supporters.  I just don't see all the invited 
>> industry CEOs dropping everything on short notice and flying to Davos.
>> I'm just going to have to wait and hear what those of you who choose 
>> to attend report back and what is reported out at IGF.
>>
>>  Chip
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 14, 2014, at 9:33 PM, "Nick Ashton-Hart" < 
>> nashton at internet-ecosystem.org> wrote:
>>
>>  Dear Joe and all,
>>
>>  I think Janis? reply to yours below and Kathy?s after that captured 
>> the essence of what I would say. I would add two things:
>>
>>  From what has been leaked, the level of support is robust and broad; 
>> it is particularly welcome to see so many senior industry leaders 
>> from ?non-traditional? Internet governance-engaged firms on board 
>> this early. I also like hearing that major NGOs who have historically 
>> had limited time and effort for Internet policy are getting involved. 
>> We need their muscle, their ideas, and their expertise.
>>
>>  Secondly, I would add that as I know Rick Samans of WEF and have 
>> spoken to him at length about the Internet policy landscape I think 
>> the process will end up being a real asset to the very difficult 
>> situation that the Internet faces, where, frankly, the traditional 
>> 'Internet Governance? space is being wagged by much bigger and more 
>> powerful dogs to the detriment of everyone. We need new, and high 
>> level, engagement and new collaborative processes to get to a place 
>> where we are working from shared positive incentives and across much 
>> broader areas than traditional Internet Governance represents and covers.
>>
>>  Regards Nick
>>  On 14 Aug 2014, at 12:52, joseph alhadeff 
>> <joseph.alhadeff at oracle.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  I wanted to write to echo many of Anriette's sentiments.  I too am 
>> writing in my personal capacity as we are canvassing the ICC-BASIS 
>> membership on their views.
>>
>> First, let me clarify that while business actively engaged in the Net 
>> Mundial meeting and supported it's outcomes, there were significant 
>> process and other shortcomings in the runup and operation of Net 
>> Mundial.  Business has not focused on these issues as we believed 
>> that it was more important to focus on achievements rather than 
>> shortcomings, but if there are attempts to institutionalize the 
>> concept of Net Mundial, then this line of inquiry will need to be explored in detail.
>>
>> Second, Net Mundial played an important role at a point in time, 
>> where reflection and inflection was needed; it served that purpose 
>> well.  It is unclear to me that there is any permanent need for such and event.
>>
>> Third, I would respectfully disagree with those most recent posts 
>> that justify the WEF initiative by the fumbling of IGF.  Can and 
>> should IGF be improved?  Yes, absolutely.  Does IGF play a useful 
>> role, even in its present role, I believe it does.  After these years 
>> of IGF we have begun to take the conversation it engenders for 
>> granted.  While these multistakeholder conversations don't yield 
>> immediate results they are the stepping stones to understanding and a 
>> foundation of consensus.  IGF remains one of the few places if not 
>> *the* place for such conversation to occur.  The frustration is that 
>> we don't build on the small victories in consensus, we don't properly 
>> capture the capacity building and we are not sufficiently innovative 
>> in considering how to approach these issues.  Net Mundial and the 
>> prep for this IGF has increased the focus on these topis and has 
>> generated some hope and anticipation for real improvements to be 
>> considered. These improvements  should not be made at the expense of 
>> the unique DNA of the organization - the avoidance of positions 
>> around negotiated text.  We have alphabets of three and four letter organizations already engaged in that trade and we need no more of those.
>>
>> Fourth, The WEF NMI.  I would concur that this is an inauspicious way 
>> to launch a multistakeholder initiative.  The process we are all 
>> engaged in now, rooting out facts and chasing down rumors, is 
>> somewhat reminiscent of what we were doing in Bali related to what 
>> would become Net Mundial. While there may be some beneficial need for 
>> positive engagement from the top, mutlistakeholder must also have 
>> bottom up roots.  WEF may have a role to play, but to do so they must 
>> be more transparent as to motivation, outcomes, process and 
>> participation.  It is also important for the WEF NMI to reinforce, as 
>> Net Mundial did, the important role of IGF and highlight how they will support that role and function.
>>
>> I would also like to point out that this fact clearing-house function 
>> may do more to return active participation to the 1net discuss list 
>> than any topic since Net Mundial.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> n 8/14/2014 11:10 AM, Stephanie Perrin wrote
>>
>> Thanks for this excellent post Anriette.  Obviously, I agree 
>> whole-heartedly.  I am very glad you are going, and I wish you all 
>> the luck in the world.  You will likely need it.
>> Best wishes.
>> Stephanie Perrin
>> On 14-08-14 8:00 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
>>
>> Dear all
>>
>> Writing this in my personal capacity. My organisation, the 
>> Association for Progressive Communications, has not yet finalised its 
>> reaction to this discussion.
>>
>> I have not been involved in the NETmundial initiative, but have been 
>> aware of it since ICANN 50 in London. I have been invited to the 28 
>> August event.
>>
>> Aside from those concerns already stated on this list, which I share, 
>> I want to add I am not convinced that this initiative, based at the 
>> WEF, and adopting a 'get all the great leaders into the room' 
>> approach is what is really needed to build on the substantial achievements of the NETmundial.
>>
>> I have always been an admirer of initiative and risk taking in the 
>> service of the 'greater good' and I don't want to condemn the 
>> NETmundial initiative or its initiators.  I do believe it should be 
>> viewed critically however, as a lot is at stake.
>>
>> Getting process right is never easy, but it is important to try hard 
>> to do so, particularly when building something that is intended to be 
>> long term.
>>
>> The NETmundial process was not perfect, but it made a HUGE effort to 
>> be inclusive and transparent. The degree to which it succeeded 
>> contributed to its legitimacy and success.  The NETmundial Initiative 
>> needs to consider this very carefully.  Of course it makes sense to 
>> work with smaller groups of people to get any initiative going, but 
>> in the internet world, and probably in the world everywhere these 
>> days, not being transparent about how these smaller groups are 
>> constituted and how they operate is 1) a lost cause as leaking can be 
>> assumed, 2) not necessary and 3) probably somewhat foolish.
>>
>> But assuming that the NETmundial Initiative process will become more 
>> transparent and inclusive in the next few weeks, I still have a 
>> fundamental concern about its format and location.  I am not 
>> convinced that it is tactically what is really needed to build on the 
>> substantial achievements of the NETmundial, the IGF before it, and 
>> the many people who have tried to make multi-stakeholder internet 
>> policy processes work in the real world over the last decade.
>>
>> My reasons are (mostly) as follows:
>>
>> *1) Choice of 'location' in the context of power and politics in 
>> multi-stakeholder internet governance*
>>
>> Most of us consider the NETmundial a success and the NETmundial 
>> statement a strong, positive document that avoids the traps of 'cheap' consensus.
>>
>> By that I mean that the final statement reflects consensus, 
>> disagreement, and issues that need follow-up and further elaboration. 
>> That not all agreed on the pre-final draft (there were some last 
>> minute disagreements about text related to  intermediary liability 
>> and surveillance) with the final version reflecting these 
>> negotiations actually makes it an even stronger document, in my view, 
>> even if some of the text I would have liked to see in it was 
>> excluded. To me this represents that the stakeholders involved in the 
>> development of the text were able to work together, and disagree. The 
>> disagreement was resolved in favour of the more power and influential 
>> - not civil society of course. I don't mind this. It reflects 
>> reality. And I know that civil society did also gain hugely with most 
>> of our demands making it through. Over time these power arrangements 
>> might change, and those of us working for the public interested in 
>> these processes have to keep on contesting, and negotiating. Multi-stakeholder processes where this does not happen are not worth the time we spend on them.
>>
>> Power and influence matters, and will continue to do so. In choosing 
>> a site for taking the NETmundial forward attention has to be given to 
>> ensuring that it is a platform where dynamics related to power and 
>> influence among stakeholders in IG is able to play themselves out on 
>> a relatively equal playing field, with that playing field becoming 
>> more equal as time goes on.
>>
>> WEF does not provide this.  Yes, certain big name civil society 
>> leaders attend WEF meetings. Others are present. Developing country 
>> leaders also attend, and it is seen as a powerful pro-business, pro 
>> US and Europe forum for reaching business leaders, and facilitating 
>> networking among the prominent and powerful (with some being both).
>>
>> But is it the right space to establish something sustained, inclusive 
>> and bottom up that can gradually lead the way in building the 
>> legitimacy and inclusiveness needed to operationalise the NETmundial 
>> outcomes at global, regional, and national levels? I don't think so.
>>
>> I say this not to disrespect the staff of the WEF or people who 
>> participate in WEF forums, or of ICANN, or anyone else involved in 
>> the NETmundial initiative. But first and foremost as someone from a 
>> developing country who has experienced the ups and downs and highs 
>> and lows of multistakeholder IG for a long time and secondly as a 
>> member of civil society. To me WEF simply does not feel like a space 
>> where developing country people and civil society will ever have a 
>> equal power with powerful "northern" governments and global business.
>>
>> *2) What do we really need to*
>>
>> *operationalise and consolidate the NETmundial outcomes?  *Glamorous 
>> gatherings of the powerful and prominent in IG (be they government, 
>> from the north and the south, tech community, business or civil 
>> society) will help to keep networking going, create the opportunity 
>> for self-congratulation for those of us who were part of the 
>> NETmundial in some way (and I had the privilege to make submissions 
>> online, and to be involved in the co-chairing some of the drafting on site in Sao Paulo).
>>
>> But is that what is really needed to integrate what the NETmundial 
>> stands for (public interested, democratic multistakeholder and human 
>> rights oriented internet governance) into the day to day running of 
>> the internet in ways that will be felt by existing and future users?
>>
>> I don't think so.
>>
>> I think that what is needed is  building lasting (and they have to be 
>> very strong because they will be attacked) bridges between a process 
>> such as NETmundial, and its outcomes, and institutions and people 
>> that make governance and regulatory decisions on a day to day basis. 
>> I want to see, for example, freedom of expression online enshrined in 
>> the contitutions of very government of the world. I want governments 
>> (and where relevant,
>> businesses) to be held accountable for making sure that all people 
>> everywhere can access the internet.
>>
>> This means engaging those that are not yet part of the 
>> multi-stakeholder internet governance 'in-crowd'.  It requires 
>> working with national governments. Regional intergovernmental bodies 
>> as well as international onces, including those in the UN system.
>>
>> Will a NETmundial Initiative based at the WEF prevent the rejection 
>> of multi-stakeholder processes (and of women's rights for that 
>> matter) that was evident in the CSTD Working Group on Enhanced 
>> Cooperation?  Or efforts among ITU member states to increase 
>> governmental oversight over internet governance? Or tension between 
>> blocks of states with divides between the developed and the developing world?
>>
>> I think that is the test it will need to pass with flying colours if 
>> it were to make the gains that are needed, and that are not already 
>> being made through processes such as the IGF, even if only in part. 
>> And a good starting point would be to identify how those governments 
>> that were at the NETmundial, but whom did not support the final 
>> statement publicly (some said publicly they did not support it, and 
>> others failed to show support simply by staying silent).
>>
>> How do they feel about this WEF-based NETmundial initiative? I see 
>> some of them are invited. I know of at least one, present in Sao 
>> Paulo and invited to the NETmundial Initiative, who does not support either.
>>
>> Apologies for ranting and raving somewhat. The point I am trying to 
>> make is that for internet regulation across the ecosystem to comply 
>> with the principles in the NETmundial statement and get get the 
>> NETmundial roadmap used as a guide we don't need more expensive 
>> global gatherings.  We need existing governance institutions and 
>> processes, including those not yet on the multi-stakeholder 
>> bandwagon, to consider and adopt NETmundial principles and integrate 
>> those into their governance decisions and processes. And I am not 
>> convinced that a WEF based forum constituted in the way the NETmundial Initiative has been, is up to that task.
>>
>> *3) NETmundial **Initiative and the IGF and the broader internet
>> community*
>>
>> The NETmundial outcome documents mentions the IGF repeatedly. It 
>> recommends strengthening of the IGF, and asks the IGF to take the 
>> discussion of complex IG issues forward. This reflects both the 
>> inputs received prior to the Sao Paulo meeting, as well as 
>> deliberations in Sao Paulo.  It reflects the will of those from ALL 
>> stakeholder groups who participated in the NETmundial.
>>
>> I therefore find completely inappropriate that an initiative which 
>> takes the name of the NETmundial, and which sets out to take the 
>> NETmundial outcomes forward, does not have a closer link to the IGF.
>>
>> In fact, at the very least it should have used the IGF as a platform 
>> for presenting itself and getting feedback from the broader community 
>> active in the internet governance ecosystem which has been using the 
>> IGF as its primary discussion space.
>>
>> The IGF is an existing forum that is still linked to the UN system, 
>> and through that, to those parts of the internet governance ecosystem 
>> populated by governments. It is a bridge. It needs to be stronger, 
>> and used more, but it exists and many of us has put a lot of work 
>> into it over the last 8 years.
>>
>> Without much capacity and resources, the IGF continues year after 
>> year, overwhelmed with a demand from the internet community it cannot 
>> come close to meet (e.g. no of workshop proposals that cannot be accommodated).
>> Regional and national IGFs have their own trajectory too.. ups and 
>> downs there too.. but overall becoming more inclusive.  The IGF 
>> process has not even begun to fulfill its potential. Particularly not 
>> at the level of interacting with other institutions and capturing and 
>> communicating the outcomes from IGF discussions effectively.
>>
>> 1000s of people have been working in this IGF processes, people who 
>> are trying to create change on the ground by getting different 
>> stakeholder groups to listen to one another and work towards a more 
>> inclusive and fair internet. People who are trying to find 
>> constructive ways of challenging practices (be they driven by governments or business) that, for example.
>> blocks affordable access, or free expression on the internet.  If you 
>> count all the IGFs around the world we are talking about 10s of 
>> thousands of people.  The lack of respect shown to all these people 
>> and organisations by NETmundial Initiative rings loud alarm bells in my ears.
>>
>> I might be overly sensitive.  I will really happy if my skepticism 
>> proves to be unfounded as I really do believe that we need democratic 
>> multi-stakeholder governance of the internet, and I believe that the 
>> NETmundial principles can help us get there.
>>
>> I guess I am also somewhat saddened.. having invested so much in th 
>> NETmundial, that this, the first initiative after April 2014 to take 
>> its name, is doing such a bad job at living up to what the NETmundial 
>> process principles advocate.
>>
>> Anriette
>>
>>
>>
>>  On 14/08/2014 09:52, Chris Disspain wrote:m
>>
>>  I was told that the initiative is geared towards bringing to 
>> attention of the industry leaders and key government representatives 
>> Internet governance issues, emphasising the need of preservation and 
>> promotion of the multi-stakeholder model, as well as supporting the 
>> IGF as a multi-stakeholder discussion platform by enlarging 
>> participation in its work of those companies and governments that 
>> haven't been involved until kn
>>
>> (l
>>  Yes, that is also my understanding. A particular emphasis was made 
>> of supporting the IGF but, I guess, time will tell.
>>
>>
>>
>>  Cheers, wha
>>
>>  Chri
>>
>>  On 14 Aug 2014, at 17:39 , Janis Karklins <karklinsj at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  As being one of invited to the launch event of the WEF initiative I 
>> would like to share information that I possess.
>>
>> The World Economic Forum is an international institution committed to 
>> improving the state of the world through public-private cooperation 
>> (statement on the website). WEFcommunities are various and more can 
>> be seen athttp://www.weforum.org/communities. Organizationally the 
>> WEFis membership organization where big multinationals from all over 
>> the world are widely represented. The WEF invites representatives of 
>> governments, academia, civil society, world of arts participate in 
>> their meetings and engage with key industry leaders. This explains 
>> why the invitees list is one you see.
>>
>> I was told that the initiative is geared towards bringing to 
>> attention of the industry leaders and key government representatives 
>> Internet governance issues, emphasising the need of preservation and 
>> promotion of the multi-stakeholder model, as well as supporting the 
>> IGF as a multi-stakeholder discussion platform by enlarging 
>> participation in its work of those companies and governments that 
>> haven't been involved until know.
>>
>> I know that Alan Markus intends to present and discuss the initiative 
>> at the 2014 IGF meeting and there will be ample opportunity for the 
>> IG community to clarify details.
>>
>> I hope that this information is useful.
>> JK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Joana Varon<joana at varonferraz.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> *Current status of IG debate:* we need leaks to know what is going on!
>>> Pretty bad for a start.
>>>
>>>  @jordan carter: "why a noted business centred forum is the place to 
>>> launch an Internet governance initiative?" - a question to be echoed indeed.
>>>
>>>  It is a shame after the whole attempt of NETMudial to innovate in a 
>>> meeting process, seeking some transparency, openness and inclusion, 
>>> something like this comes up under the same "brand". Hello Brazil?!
>>>
>>>  @jeremy and members of the so called "evil cabal", if you go, you 
>>> have an important role to feed people with the most important asset:
>>> information. I bet we will be always prompt for feedback.
>>>
>>>  hoping for the best, though looking at... the worst?
>>>
>>>  regards
>>>
>>>  joana
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>>
>>> Joana Varon Ferraz
>>> @joana_varon
>>> PGP 0x016B8E73
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:30 AM, Seth 
>>> Johnson<seth.p.johnson at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> More that the IGF phase wasn't going to work.  IGF has always been 
>>>> in a tough spot, not so much fumbling the ball -- as if that's 
>>>> anything other than an endemic feature of any organization of a 
>>>> similar institutional nature -- but not empowered and pining for standing.
>>>> But Netmundial wasn't executed well in that regard (they announced 
>>>> sponsorship of IGF, but they also weren't quite able to make things 
>>>> stick), so they need to patch he information society process up by 
>>>> a more blunt move that steps past IGF rather than going through a 
>>>> process of engaging folks in issues via IGF as per plan.  I think 
>>>> they're figuring they'll be able to just brazen it out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Jeremy Malcolm <jmalcolm at eff.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > I think it's more the case that the IGF has so badly fumbled the 
>>>> > ball
>>>> that
>>>> > it falls to someone - anyone - else to pick it up. But that is 
>>>> > not to discount the valid criticisms that others have expressed 
>>>> > and that I
>>>> agree
>>>> > with.
>>>> >
>>>> > Disclaimer: I'm a member of the evil cabal.
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Jeremy Malcolm
>>>> > Senior Global Policy Analyst
>>>> > Electronic Frontier Foundation
>>>> > https://eff.org
>>>> > jmalcolm at eff.org
>>>> >
>>>> > Tel: 415.436.9333 ext 161
>>>> >
>>>> > :: Defending Your Rights in the Digital World ::
>>>> >
>>>> > On Aug 13, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Jordan Carter 
>>>> > <jordan at internetnz.net.nz>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Can someone explain why a noted business centred forum is the 
>>>> > place to launch an Internet governance initiative?
>>>> >
>>>> > I genuinely don't understand that.
>>>> >
>>>> > I thought the whole lesson of netmundial was that genuine multi
>>>> stakeholder
>>>> > approaches work well, not that it was a nice experiment to be ignored.
>>>> >
>>>> > It would be helpful if those who rule us, as it were, would 
>>>> > rapidly
>>>> disclose
>>>> > some authoritative information.
>>>> >
>>>> > Jordan
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thursday, 14 August 2014, Stephen Farrell <
>>>> stephen.farrell at cs.tcd.ie>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Gotta say... seems like elitist nonsense to me having looked at 
>>>> >> the invite list and other docs. The elitist part should be 
>>>> >> obvious. The nonsense part is due to  almost none of the list of 
>>>> >> invitees being known for knowing about the Internet. It seems 
>>>> >> much more an elite than an Internet-savvy list of folks being 
>>>> >> asked to form a new cabal. That said, cabals aren't all bad, and 
>>>> >> I've no reason to think very badly of this particular subset of 
>>>> >> the elite and its I guess just more meaningless policy stuff so 
>>>> >> I don't need to care very much.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> That said, it seems a pity for this to be the next step after 
>>>> >> the Brazil gig which seemed relatively open.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> S.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 14/08/14 02:36, William Drake wrote:
>>>> >> > Hi
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I proposed several times to the 1NET Co Com that 1NET explore
>>>> serving as
>>>> >> > a more open multistakeholder vehicle for connecting people to 
>>>> >> > the
>>>> NETmundial
>>>> >> > Initiative.  Several members expressed support for that, but 
>>>> >> > since
>>>> how the
>>>> >> > NMI will evolve remains very unclear it?s hard to know ex ante 
>>>> >> > how
>>>> this
>>>> >> > could work.  I made the same suggestion to Fadi in London, 
>>>> >> > didn?t
>>>> get much
>>>> >> > reaction.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > As I understand the basic idea, NMI will have a six month 
>>>> >> > launch
>>>> managed
>>>> >> > by WEF but the hope would be that this leads to something 
>>>> >> > broader
>>>> and more
>>>> >> > inclusive in a second phase.  Not how I would have done it, 
>>>> >> > but
>>>> that said I
>>>> >> > wouldn?t assume before the fact that the second phase will not
>>>> come.  We
>>>> >> > have to see for starters how the conversation goes 28 August 
>>>> >> > and
>>>> what is
>>>> >> > possible?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Bill
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Aug 13, 2014, at 10:00 PM, Avri Doria <avri at ACM.ORG> wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> Hi,
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Just wondering, is this a proper list for those who have been
>>>> catching
>>>> >> >> bits and pieces of the ICANN/WEF 'NetMundial Initiaitve' to 
>>>> >> >> be discussed.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> I think it might be, and have even suggested it to others, 
>>>> >> >> but
>>>> figured
>>>> >> >> I
>>>> >> >> better check first.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> avri
>>>> >> >>
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>>>> >
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