[discuss] Artificial conflation of issues not helpful. [Was: Digest, Vol 3, Issue 67]

Wed Feb 19 23:55:07 UTC 2014

Avri,

1. fully agree re IETF work approaching the part they can deal with in very
appropriate way, scalable, based on technical rationality and Internet core
principles, commensurate with the threat model identified (plus diversity
of views.)

2. I don't think that the activity on principles in the political sphere
will lead anywhere. You explain why yourself: spying won't stop. A thin
varnish of legality may actually be counterproductive for many concerned.

3. Fully agree with your point 3 (since way back in time.)

Yours,

Alejandro Pisanty

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:

>
>
> On 19-Feb-14 21:16, Alejandro Pisanty wrote:
>
>> One would wish that the surveillance issue were being addressed with the
>> same energy. It is not and it will not.
>>
>
> I think that if you look at the work being started in the IETF, you will
> find great deals of energy being expended on fixing the actual problem, the
> technical weaknesses that allowed such pervasive surveillance to be done so
> easily.  This despite the distraction of the political problems the NSA
> problem have caused.
>
> I believe this is a serious problem and it is being dealt with in an
> appropriate way - close the technical holes as best they can be closed.
>
> I also believe that it is being dealt with in the political sphere with
> principles, policies and eventual agreements on proper forms of behavior.
>  Not that nations will stop spying for as long as states exist.
>
> In my view conflating the issues is just a cynically opportunistic method
> of trying to achieve political critical Internet resource goals that have
> nothing to do with the serious problem of state surveillance on the world's
> people.
>
> avri
>
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