[discuss] Fwd: - questions of consent and influence

Fri Feb 21 11:33:45 UTC 2014

Putting this answer back into the general flow…

/bill
Neca eos omnes.  Deus suos agnoscet.

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> From: manning bill <bmanning at isi.edu>
> Subject: Re: [discuss] - questions of consent and influence
> Date: February 21, 2014 at 3:31:35 PST
> To: "Matthias C. Kettemann" <matthias.kettemann at gmail.com>
> Cc: manning bill <bmanning at ISI.EDU>
> 
> its the functional equivalent of the “napkin” used by Michel Dell.   At one of the dinner meetings,  the compact was scribbled on the paper which covered the tables.   Folks signed it and
> it was torn off. Jon had it framed and it hung in is office until he died.  its quite fragile and is a very odd size.  at the moment, I am in Australia and will be in KL next week & London the week after.
> I will be in LA about mid-march and then back to Singapore.  I will try to get a “clean” image.  The compact is not formal in any sense of the word and may not be citable.
> 
> The compact derived from Gordon Bells closing remarks as documented in the report:
> 
> "There are several alternatives that would create the kind of direction
> such an effort needs.  One is to go into government mode, although this
> isn't too appealing.  Another is to create standards, probably through a
> research and standards activity.  This might be a democratic process,
> for example, admitting switch suppliers, as well as users and carriers,
> to attempt to build standards for putting together a network.  By
> working on standardization and research, an attempt could be made to
> solve the worst problems.  Still another option is to outline the
> network and issue a request for bids."
> 
> The agreement at the dinner table was to proceed with the second of the three options, to "create standards, probably through a
> research and standards activity.  This might be a democratic process..”
> 
> 
> /bill
> Neca eos omnes.  Deus suos agnoscet.
> 
> On 21February2014Friday, at 3:13, Matthias C. Kettemann <matthias.kettemann at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Dear Bill, 
>> 
>> I'm working on questions of legitimacy and representation in Internet Governance from an international law perspective at the Unviersity of Frankfurt/Germany. 
>> 
>> Being able to cite the "document, signed by each of these people, representing their organizations, that they would  respect and abide by the naming and numbering choices arbitrated by Jon" that you mention would be immensly helpful. 
>> 
>> I found the meeting report (ftp://ftp.isi.edu/pub/hpcc-papers/arrowhead/report.txt) but can't seem to find a hint as to the paper you mention. 
>> 
>> Could you help me out? 
>> 
>> Thank you very much in advance. 
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> 
>> Matthias 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 9:12 AM, manning bill <bmanning at isi.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Reviewing the history of the gravitas that settled on Jon Postel in his role as IANA, a few things emerged:
>> 
>> 1- For nearly two decades, there was tacit agreement by the developer and user community that Jon would act as an ombudsman, in Vint Cerfs words,  “Our Boswell”
>> To save time, the reference is to James Boswell, 9th Laird of Auchinleck (29 October 1740 – 19 May 1795) was a lawyer, diarist, and author born in Edinburgh, Scotland.  Boswell's surname has passed into the English language as a term (Boswell, Boswellian, Boswellism) for a constant companion and observer, especially one who records those observations in print.  (wikipedia)
>> 
>> In 1987, there was the Lake Arrowhead meeting, <ADVANCED COMPUTER COMMUNICATION WORKSHOP> with the following participants from academia, business, and government:
>>                              PARTICIPANTS
>> 
>>    Tony Acampora                   AT&T-BTL
>>    Gordon Bell                     National Science Foundation
>>    Craig Bender                    O'Dowd Research
>>    Ken Biba                        Biba Associates
>>    Dick Binder                     M/A-COM
>>    Dave Blauvelt                   ITT
>>    Len Bosack                      cisco
>>    Hans-Werner Braun               University of Michigan
>>    Ross W. Callon                  Bolt Beranek and Newman
>>    Vinton G. Cerf                  NRI
>>    Greg Chesson                    SGI
>>    David Cheriton                  Stanford
>>    Wesley Clark                    CRA
>>    Danny Cohen                     USC-ISI
>>    Chase J. Cotton                 Bellcore
>>    Gary Delp                       University of Delaware
>>    Deborah Estrin                  USC
>>    David J. Farber                 University of Delaware
>>    John G. Fletcher                LLNL
>>    A.G. (Sandy) Fraser             AT&T-BTL
>>    Steven N. Goldstein             NASA-HQ/MITRE
>>    Ken Ingram                      AT&T-BTL
>>    Richard Johnsson                DEC-SRC
>>    Robert E. Kahn                  NRI
>>    Steve J. Lukasik                Northrop
>>    Jim Mathis                      SRI International
>>    Dave Mills                      University of Delaware
>>    Jeffrey C. Mogul                DEC-WRL
>>    Joel Morrow                     NYNEX
>>    Brendon O'Dowd                  O'Dowd Research
>>    Eli Pasternak                   Telestream
>>    Jon Postel                      USC-ISI
>>    Larry G. Roberts                Net-Express
>>    Daniel Sheinbein                AT&T-BTL
>>    W. D. Sincoskie                 Bellcore
>>    Dan Swinehart                   Xerox-PARC
>>    Jonathan Turner                 Washington University
>>    Dono Van Mierop                 Fibronics
>> 
>> Some of these names/organizations may be familiar, some not so much.  In the Postel archives, there is a document, signed by each of these people, representing their organizations, that they would
>> respect and abide by the naming and numbering choices arbitrated by Jon.  As far as I can tell, this is the first written agreement of the consent of the governed to abide by the choices made by Jon.
>> This “tasking” was folded into the Tera Node Technology award from DARPA and then migrated via NSF to oversight by NTIA.
>> 
>> 
>> So for me,  two key elements of effective IG must include:
>> 
>> - an ombudsman/boswellian role as documenting the authoritative state of affairs
>> and
>> - consent of the governed.
>> 
>> Its hard to see both of these attributes in the proposals tabled to date.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> /bill
>> Neca eos omnes.  Deus suos agnoscet.
>> 
>> 
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