[discuss] Interesting article

Tue Jan 14 19:01:53 UTC 2014

Ahmad,

say Netnod who operates the "I" server ie its 43 anycast servers decides not
to accept the destructive change and keep using the old root zone file
("revoke" in that sense) where the country deleted/removed by US is still
in. Practically, (at least) these 43 servers will have a different root zone
file from the changed one; thus all that access it/them will still have the
removed country on their Internet map.

This is all of course very hypothetic (though practically possible) - as is
the US decision to alter the root zone file.

With such a robust root zone system, and the fact that others (Seun, Andrew,
Moonesamy and Roland) mentioned about the effects of the DNS cut, the
unilateral destructive change by US would really have little practical
impact in the short term. The political implications, however, would be very
significant.

Best!

                Vlada

From: Imran Ahmed Shah [mailto:ias_pk at yahoo.com] 
Sent: 14 January 2014 19:18
To: Vladimir Radunovic; 'nathalie coupet'; discuss at 1net.org
Subject: Re: [discuss] Interesting article

Dear Vladimir, 

Thank you for explaining in simplified form, but I could not understand that
how it is revoked to previous version?

as you wrote "....but could easily be revoked to a previous version by some
server hosts (even on non-US root zone servers) that do not support such a
decision."

Answering to the Nethalie query, would you please try to compare IPv6 vs
Zone Files that can be used to restrict/block access? 

Thanks,

Imran

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From: Vladimir Radunovic <vladar at diplomacy.edu>
To: 'nathalie coupet' <nathaliecoupet at yahoo.com>; discuss at 1net.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 14 January 2014, 22:34
Subject: Re: [discuss] Interesting article

Nathalie,

It is a valid question. 

The 13 root zone servers are not the only places where root zone file is
stored and accessed from, but there are over 300 servers worldwide
(http://www.root-servers.org/) which act through anycast service and are
accessed along with the 13 root zone servers. If the root zone file would be
altered unilaterally and in a destructive manner by US, the new file would
likely propagate to all servers but could easily be revoked to a previous
version by some server hosts (even on non-US root zone servers) that do not
support such a decision. This would result in fragmentation where two (or
more) versions of a root zone file would exist at the same time on different
servers, making some computers access one, and some the other file. Such an
effect would, interestingly, hearth primarily the US (business) itself, so
would be counter-productive for the US.

Hope this simplified explanation helps. Other "techies" here may explain in
greater details.

Best!

                Vlada

From: discuss-bounces at 1net.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at 1net.org] On Behalf
Of nathalie coupet
Sent: 14 January 2014 17:04
To: discuss at 1net.org
Subject: Re: [discuss] Interesting article

Hello All,

Could you explain how removing a country from the Internet in the root zone
would not prevent this country from being connected to the Internet?

The USA has never used this technical possibility to remove a country from
the Internet (US DOC authorizes ICANN via an IANA contract, to manage the
root zone).
<http://www.diplomacy.edu/blog/international-inviolability-root-zone#_ftn1>
[1] In addition, even if the US makes this move in the future, it will have
little impact, since the DNS system is robust and decentralized enough to
sustain any changes in the root zone file, at least in the short term
perspective.

Thanks,

Nathalie

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From: Vladimir Radunovic <vladar at diplomacy.edu>
To: 'Adam Peake' <ajp at glocom.ac.jp>; discuss at 1net.org 
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [discuss] Interesting article

Agree with Adam it would be a good topic for Brazil.

A diplomatic perspective of the options for "internationalisation" of ICANN,
IANA contract and root zone was provided recently by Jovan in his blog:
http://www.diplomacy.edu/blog/international-inviolability-root-zone

Brings some concrete ideas to follow up on within Brazil process maybe.

Best,

    Vlada

-----Original Message-----
From: discuss-bounces at 1net.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at 1net.org] On Behalf
Of Adam Peake
Sent: 14 January 2014 16:02
To: discuss at 1net.org
Subject: Re: [discuss] Interesting article

On Jan 14, 2014, at 11:42 PM, Jorge Amodio wrote:

> 
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Roland Perry
<roland at internetpolicyagency.com> wrote:
> In message
<CAMzo+1bYKXDJVt_zckNGnacn32j4qwEXXGsV8L3YMo2tsYd3XQ at mail.gmail.com>, at
07:37:24 on Tue, 14 Jan 2014, Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at gmail.com> writes
> 
> I'm not sure what do you mean about "requirements of US government".
> 
> If you read the tender documents for the latest IANA contract, you'll find
quite a bit of (very US-centric) stuff about the required geographic
credentials of any qualifying organisation (and certain of its staff).
> 
> I read all 65 pages of it, and this is true ONLY as the contractor for the
IANA function, regardless if it is ICANN or not.
> 
> Being ICANN the contractor has probably some positives, but on the other
hand confuses a lot of people since the role as a contractor and policy
development and other roles are (or are supposed to be) totally separate.
> 
> So if you abstract the IANA contract, besides the requirements as
US/California non-profit corporation there are no other requirements from
the USG.
> 
> So the US-centric issue is not ICANN, but IANA.
> 

Check the affirmation of commitments
<http://www.icann.org/en/about/agreements/aoc/affirmation-of-commitments-30s
ep09-en.htm> 

8. ICANN affirms its commitments to: ... (b) remain a not for profit
corporation, headquartered in the United States of America with offices
around the world to meet the needs of a global community; (end quote)

Now this is a good topic for the meeting in Brazil: globalization of ICANN,
what a new affirmation of commitments might look like (building on what
we've got, which doesn't look so bad), how to design a new host country
agreement, etc.  Add globalization of the IANA functions and there are two
pretty heavy topics.  Take a lot more time than we have between now and
April 23-24, but can make a start in Brazil.

Adam

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