[discuss] Continuation of problem no. 1 specification, and what could be next steps

Mon Jan 27 06:13:46 UTC 2014

Perhaps the solution is not to try to deal with the issue subject-matter 
directly at national or local level as much as proposing that relevant 
institutions help create further capacity building for local regulators  
to understand the benefits of level playing fields and provide 
methods/data to help develop/support pro-competitive markets?

It is neither the role nor capability of global IG  discussions to 
address all issues containing or relating to the word Internet....

Joe
On 1/27/2014 12:20 AM, Alejandro Pisanty wrote:
> Avri,
>
> national arrangements in telecommunications networks are indeed a key 
> for access to the Internet. Pricing, availability, playing with 
> network neutrality, censorship, etc. are all in play.
>
> But there is litle that *global* Internet governance can do in this 
> field, because it's at least one layer too low, and because of the 
> entrenchment of all that comes with national arrangements: laws, 
> monopolies, collusion...
>
> Best course yet is to have a new round of ICAIS-like discussions in 
> the ITU's SG-3 and see if in a new decade a new approach has emerged. 
> In the meantime for some countries skipping that and going to the WTO 
> seems to have had more effect by introducing some competition. And in 
> turn this leaves unsolved the cases of market failure like countries 
> too small, and connected only through long and expensive fibers, to 
> sustain vivid competiton, nor to allow for subsidies.
>
> Yours,
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 11:03 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org 
> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     We get back to these questions:
>
>     -  But does its effect on the Internet impact society differently?
>     -  Are the ways in which it affects the Internet different in any way?
>
>     If either answer is 'maybe' or 'don't know' then I think it is an
>     object for Ig study.
>
>     And if either is 'yes' then I think it is an object for Ig debate,
>     recommendations and advocacy.
>
>     avri
>
>     On 26-Jan-14 23:54, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>
>         Avri,
>
>         Because it doesn't only affect the Internet.
>
>         Regards
>             Brian
>
>         On 27/01/2014 08:55, Avri Doria wrote:
>
>             Hi,
>
>             While it may not be an issue at the International level of
>             Internet
>             governance, something I still don't fully accept, it may
>             relevant at the
>             regional or national levels of Ig.  In so far as there are
>             specific
>             issues with regards to the Internet  and how it, within
>             the marketplace,
>             is regulated in a country, why isn't it a national Ig issue.
>
>
>             I don't see why correcting the "domestic market
>             (mis)regulation"  for
>             some defintion of mis [free market excess, central state
>             control,
>             negligence, ...] isn't the epitome of a Internet
>             governance issue at the
>             national and perhaps trade treaty level.
>
>
>             avri
>
>             On 26-Jan-14 14:18, S Moonesamy wrote:
>
>                 Hi Andrew,
>                 At 09:14 26-01-2014, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
>
>                     That paper is interesting, but both it and your
>                     own argument lead me
>                     towards the view that this is not a matter of
>                     Internet governance at
>                     all, but an issue of domestic market
>                     (mis)regulation.  I don't see how
>                     we can fix that and I'm also not sure it would be
>                     correct for us to try.
>
>
>                 Agreed.
>
>                 I don't see how domestic market (mis)regulation can be
>                 a matter of
>                 Internet governance as:
>
>                     (i)  It is a matter for the relevant country to
>                 decide.
>
>                     (ii) The issue also covers non-Internet areas.
>
>                 It would be problematic to try and fix such problems
>                 through Internet
>                 governance (see Brian's comment about national
>                 economic policies).
>
>                 Regards,
>                 S. Moonesamy
>
>                 _______________________________________________
>                 discuss mailing list
>                 discuss at 1net.org <mailto:discuss at 1net.org>
>                 http://1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>
>
>             _______________________________________________
>             discuss mailing list
>             discuss at 1net.org <mailto:discuss at 1net.org>
>             http://1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     discuss mailing list
>     discuss at 1net.org <mailto:discuss at 1net.org>
>     http://1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>      Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
> Facultad de Química UNAM
> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
> +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD
> +525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475
> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, 
> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> discuss mailing list
> discuss at 1net.org
> http://1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/20140127/4a8c2005/attachment-0001.html>