[discuss] [/1net Forums] Forum Activity for 03-04-2014

Tue Mar 4 17:49:34 UTC 2014

I agree with George wholeheartedly.

I filled out the survey, lest the answers reflect only those who are in alignment with the Montevideo Statement (the admitted starting point for this survey) – not to give it any legitimacy.

Phil Corwin has elected not to answer the survey, other than to indicate that George’s response is a complete response to the survey and that ascribes to it as well.  Also a valid response, although not one the “surveymonkey” can comprehend.  (Never was a brand name so apt as in this circumstance!)  I suspect others are likely to do likewise, which unless we are slaves to the surveymonkey and the “anonymous ‘we,’” should also be considered valid responses – but which adds a further layer of invalidity to the survey results (should they ever be tallied).

I suggest that the survey be withdrawn, since it is based on a series of false premises and unfortunate steps taken to further those premises (or more succinctly, a bad plan poorly executed).  These were eloquently stated by George (and I added my 2 cents earlier).

While I’m sure this was done in good faith, it’s just not appropriate.  We should put this effort to rest and move on.

Greg Shatan

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All,

This is a complete surprise.

First, unless I have amnesia or been asleep during the past week, this is NOT a summary  of discussions in this Forum.

Second, please point to evidence of a common feeling that 1net should provide formal input to NetMundial, or to any of the foundation documents for this list that suggest such an outcome.

Third, who are the “we “ referred to in the text below.  This is an anonymous document claiming a distinct turn in the conduct of this form which I claim does not exist.  Who are you?

Fourth, it encourages convergence on a statement across all participants, from multiple sectors, within the next 4 days.  This is an impossible task, even if it were the right thing to do.  (We’ve been trying to do this for years.)  It will be a motherhood document, a ‘lower that the lowest possible common denominator’ document.  It will prove that 1net exists, but not a lot more.

Fifth, I thought that the purpose of this list was NOT to reach any kind of forced agreement in a short time frame.  I thought that: (1) is was meant to discuss Internet governance issues, and if possible (2) inform NetMundial with a range of opinions and possible assistance.

Sixth, a stated goal seems to be what to “put forward to the NetMundial meeting as representative of /1net’s view.”  I didn’t know that 1net had to have a point of view.  We have had discussions, some fruitful, some in the realm of science fiction, and there have been some discussions that have provided decent and interesting material for 1net.

Seventh, whoever is proposing this is suggesting that a survey, announced by e-mail 16 hours before its close (!!) to the ‘1net community,” a list of 600-1000 members, maybe 40-50 of who have actually participated in this list, is going to provide any useful information whatsoever?  Even if this were a worthwhile captivity, which it is not, such a process could not be expected to yield any meaningful result.

Eighth, the expectation that “the statement should be viewed as the broad perspective on Internet governance issues from the /1net community,”  is unrealistic. Rather it is high likely to be a significant misrepresentation of what the opinions of the community are, given the faulty process and the tight time frame of the proposal.  Those who are rabid in their opinions will participate.

In summary:

- this is a bad idea

- it states that the “community enjoyed” a discussion that I believe never really happened

- it is based on a feeling that we should provide formal input that AFAIK was not felt

- it specifies a tight deadline for a previously unannounced objective

- it significantly distorts the stated purpose of the 1net list

- it will yield results of little value; the sample frame will consist of those who (1) read their e-mail promptly (2) have the time to respond (3)

- it has been imposed from an anonymous “above”

Perhaps the anonymous “we” can respond to the above points.

George

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On Mar 4, 2014, at 1:32 AM, /1net Forums digest <info at 1net.org<mailto:info at 1net.org>> wrote:

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Here's a brief summary of the discussion on /1net Forums<http://mandrillapp.com/track/click.php?u=30143381&id=db94d9ea201149868230d2317299c105&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.1net.org&url_id=f27f10722599be5b646cf36e5b1b1281abf95932> since we last saw you on 02-28-2014.
Recent posts the community enjoyed:
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Based on the feeling and importance that /1net should provide some kind of formal input to the NetMundial meeting in April, we have specifically developed a statement and process to meet the tight deadline for submitting input (Saturday 8 March).

The statement is built from the Montevideo Statement, and split up into the two themes of the NetMundial meeting. There shouldn't be anything in this statement that is controversial or surprising if you have been following Internet governance discussions over the past four months.

A few quick things to note:
·         Having a /1net statement should not in any way preclude people from sending their own input to the NetMundial meeting
·         The statement should be viewed as the broad perspective on Internet governance issues from the /1net community. There is plenty of opportunity for more in-depth discussions outside this singular event
·         Given the tight deadline, we should as much as possible avoid suggestions that others will disagree with

Process of converging on the content of the statement:
·         An online survey gives everyone the opportunity to review each sentence within the draft statement. You can simply agree with it (obviously the preferred response), you can "Agree but…" and provide some brief feedback, or you can disagree and explain why you feel would need to change to the wording in order for you to agree.
·         That survey will run from now until the end of Tuesday (23:45 UTC),
at which point it will close.
·         The results from the survey will be analyzed to see what changes
could be made to accommodate different views - and statistics
released to show what the feedback was (comments will be published
but not attributed).
·         On Thursday, a reformed statement will be put to a second survey sent
to Steering Committee members who will act as representatives of
their stakeholder groups in deciding yes or no to specific
statements.
·         That survey will close Friday and /1net coordinator Adiel Akplogan
will review the results and decide what can be put forward to the
NetMundial meeting as representative of /1net's view.

It is far more rushed than is ideal but given the fact that there is only this week to reach agreement, hopefully you will all see the value in responding quickly and constructively.

You can find the survey and the statements at: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/1net-netmundial<http://mandrillapp.com/track/click.php?u=30143381&id=db94d9ea201149868230d2317299c105&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surveymonkey.com%2Fs%2F1net-netmundial&url_id=5195d73724c12c9451ce6b05827bfb08d6a1c425>

Please note that the survey will automatically close at 23.45 UTC on Tuesday 4 March.

Thank you for your input in advance.
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