[discuss] What are the actual goal(s) of the proposal?(was Re: Roadmap for globalizing IANA)

Tue Mar 11 00:37:37 UTC 2014

Dear Seun,
I respond from gmail while traveling.

"Thanks for pointing me to this. The MOU seem to exclude the policy
issues relating to assignment of domain names and IP address which i
think its indirectly saying that would be ICANN's role (?)"

It simply indirectly saying it is not the the IETF cup of tea. Their
mission is to enfluence those who design, use, and manage the internet
 so the internet works better, not to be involved in any of its
testing or operations.

"Well i wouldn't expect those values not to be adhered to as they seem
to be desired by current ICANN judging from all their recent efforts.
However what i wonder is whether those values are indeed adhered to by
relevant governmental bodies."

This is the kind of thing Europe wants to be able to consider. So one
may consider that at some stage there might be conficts between IETF,
ICANN and Govs (like at the GAC).

Contribution of politcs may be helped by somme cooperation and
presentation through the IUCG. For example, at one stage during the
RFC 4646 debate where Unicode wanted to take control of the IANA
linguistic table, I never hiden the fact that the RFC 4646/4647 intial
projects were public casus belli.

"When i googled MDRS, the first on the list has to do with IT in
planet Mars ;) so do you mind indicating the actual meaning of the
acronym ;)"

Multilingual Distributed Metadata Referential System.
http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/worksem/multilingual/papers/s1paper-morfin.pdf
http://vgnics.net/mdrs/index.php/Main_Page

"You bet it is.  What i also like to get clarification about is
who/what exactly is the process to approving a proposal such as the
one presented by Milton?."

An US military collapse.

 i.e is it at ICANN that such proposal is to be finally
approved?(which i doubt considering the fact that this goes beyond
ICANN), is it IETF?, is it IANA? or is it NTIA (which by my
understanding happen to actually seem to be the current ultimate
determining factor).

The decision lies with Congress and President. Milton's proposition is
clever vaporware.

"I am looking to get an understanding of all this, so i did know that
we will indeed get somewhere after all the long talks here. We can
discuss and make out fantastic proposals, however they need to go
beyond paper, they need to be implemented."

Personnally, I see this debate going on since 1977. The good idea is
of incorporating the Digital Names Services Association for the
business and non-profit entities offering name services in any digital
technology for them to collectively enhance the quality of their
opérating services, protocols, tables, documentation, etc.

"So who has the final say on things like this?"

Us, the users.
jfc

2014-03-10 13:07 GMT+01:00 Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>:
> Hello JFC thanks for your response, kindly find my response inset
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Jefsey <jefsey at jefsey.com> wrote:
>>
>> At 19:42 07/03/2014, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>>>
>>> > What if the IANA IETF agreement is terminated?
>>>
>>> Can you further explain this and it's implication? What other agreement
>>> do you refer?
>>
>>
>> Please see my preceding post on IETF/IANA relations (IETF 89, meeting)
>>
>> The IANA comes from the IETF. The arrangement is RFC 2860.
>
>
> Thanks for pointing me to this. The MOU seem to exclude the policy issues
> relating to assignment of domain names and IP address which i think its
> indirectly saying that would be ICANN's role (?)
>
>
>>
>> It can be changed if ICANN does not adhere to the IETF values anymore.
>> These core values are expressed in RFC 3935 and a new paradigm is defined in
>> RFC 6852. IETF does not only produce parameters, it also produces RFCs. What
>> happens if IETF simplifies and stabilises as other SDOs do and only
>> publishes through the RFC Editor (IANA is just following the RFC IANA
>> sections).
>>
> Well i wouldn't expect those values not to be adhered to as they seem to be
> desired by current ICANN judging from all their recent efforts. However what
> i wonder is whether those values are indeed adhered to by relevant
> governmental bodies.
>
>>
>> At the presentime DNSA is a vapor, the MDRS is a long standing project,
>> with tables in development for years and a site. So these things are not
>> real yet, but they might be soon.
>
>
> When i googled MDRS, the first on the list has to do with IT in planet Mars
> ;) so do you mind indicating the actual meaning of the acronym ;)
>
>> They have to be designed consistantly.
>>
> Yeah thats the spirit of multistakeholder(ism) ;)
>
>> All this is very confuse.
>>
> You bet it is.  What i also like to get clarification about is who/what
> exactly is the process to approving a proposal such as the one presented by
> Milton?. i.e is it at ICANN that such proposal is to be finally
> approved?(which i doubt considering the fact that this goes beyond ICANN),
> is it IETF?, is it IANA? or is it NTIA (which by my understanding happen to
> actually seem to be the current ultimate determining factor).
> I am looking to get an understanding of all this, so i did know that we will
> indeed get somewhere after all the long talks here. We can discuss and make
> out fantastic proposals, however they need to go beyond paper, they need to
> be implemented.
>
> So who has the final say on things like this?
>
> Cheers!
>>
>> jfc
>
>
>
>
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