[discuss] [governance] Re: Comcast undertakes 9 year IETF cosponsorship!?

Mon Mar 24 03:51:48 UTC 2014

On Monday 24 March 2014 07:18 AM, McTim wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:17 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
> <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
>
>> Coming back to the topic - But really, are there all that many civil society people who prefer only public funding and governmental oversight?
> judging by the responses so far on the various lists this has
> traversed (I note that we are only on governance list now) the answer
> is "no"

Again, public funding is fully conflated with governmental oversight.

The Just Net Coalition presented a proposal for ICANN oversight which

(1) does not consist of governmental oversight, but oversight by a 
Technical Oversight and Advisory Board with a composition that is 
regionally balanced and consists of techno-political membership - people 
with technical expertise and standing, but will some degree of political 
processes around their selection. Pl see the proposal at 
http://content.netmundial.br/contribution/democratising-global-governance-of-the-internet/164 
.

(2) Seeks that this structure, which patently cannot be called 
governmental oversight, be publicly funded. In this regard, the public 
funds are the tax that ICANN collects from global Internet website 
owners in form of a part of the domain name fees. (There could be other 
ways how public financie for global IG functions can be organsied, say 
0.01 percent tax of global e-commerce, which is collected and managed by 
a body with clear rules regarding collection and allocation.)

Therefore, as spoken of in my original email, dismissive-ness about non 
market logic based systems of governance, or any kind of democratic 
governance systems, continues by maligning and distorting well 
-established political concepts, and such other devices...

parminder
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>> --srs (iPad)
>>
>>> On 23-Mar-2014, at 19:59, Daniel Pimienta <pimienta at funredes.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Which is why I am glad that  parminders views are still a tiny minority not shared by civil society in general.
>>> There is absolutely no evidence which could sustain this statement; as a matter of fact I trust, at the countrary, it applies much better to your views.
>>>
>>> The only way to assess such statements is to conduce a survey among the membership about some basic
>>> questions which represent the lines of fracture of the debate here.
>>> I would strongly suggest the new co-co team to consider seriously this possibility in the medium term.
>>>
>>> However, even if such survey would be conducted (and if it is realized with the appropriate criterias) the results only will reflect
>>> the position of the part of civil society which is member of this forum and in no way the "civil society in general" to quote your words.
>>>
>>> The issue of outreach of the IGF towards a larger civil society stakeholders is another serious matter to be considered.
>>>
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