[discuss] [bestbits] Shoshanna Zuboff: Dark Google

Sat May 3 08:58:34 UTC 2014

Nick,

I would have thought putting these discussions into an appropriate, current
and larger context would be a quite reasonable addition--although clearly
uncomfortable for some.

But yes, apologies to those following on mobiles.

M

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Ashton-Hart [mailto:nashton at internet-ecosystem.org] 
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2014 9:37 AM
To: michael gurstein
Cc: discuss at 1net.org List
Subject: Re: [bestbits] Shoshanna Zuboff: Dark Google

- all the double posting.

Michael, I'm a European, and in addition I actually live in Europe. What's
roiling Europe right now is the Ukraine crisis - not this stuff.

Could I ask - once again - that we try to keep /1net discussions focussed
how to collaborate on issues where there's a possibility of (1) all
communities actually seeing there is an issue, and (2) through dialogue
agreeing on some common points about that issue? 

I think I'm on very safe ground in saying that this entire meme does not
meet either of those conditions.

Could I also ask that entire long articles from publications not be copied
wholesale into list correspondence? While I am not, some people are paying
for mobile access to this list, and this simply increases their costs and
downloading time for communications. A link should suffice. 

On 3 May 2014, at 09:55, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:

> This discussion is currently roiling Europe and beyond.  
> 
> The discussion and Zuboff's analysis has very significant implications for
the matters of Multistakeholder governance which are currently being
triumphantly trumpeted in these contexts and beyond. The issues that Zuboff
is pointing to with specific reference to Google and surveillance underlie
the drive to include companies like Google and others directly in decision
making through multistakeholder processes/Internet Governance.   
> 	
> It hardly takes a huge flight of imagination to recognize the signals
concerning the extreme danger that MSism represents in the context of
Zuboff's arguments i.e. giving Google (et al) effective veto power over and
a highly influential (and potentially unstoppable role in) decision making
in areas key to controlling what Zuboff calls "the rise of absolute power".
> 
> (And for the Multistakeholderists among us here is a critical response 
> from a former senior employee of another Silicon Valley corporate 
> giant--Yahoo 
> https://www.facebook.com/benjaminbratton/posts/10152082644097966?strea
> m_ref=10 )
> 
> M
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:liberationtech-bounces at lists.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Yosem 
> Companys
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 4:41 PM
> To: Liberation Technologies
> Subject: [liberationtech] Shoshanna Zuboff: Dark Google
> 

<Snip> the rest of a gigantically long reproduction of an article.

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