[discuss] African take on Net Neutrality

Carlos Raúl G. crg at isoc-cr.org
Wed May 14 14:26:59 UTC 2014


Define "use" pls 
Aren't we mixing here terms like use vs. transmission?
A public utility has to generate all kWh first and may loose some to transmission inefficiencies if the grid is not well balanced. Does streaming of bits equal to consumption?
Your analogy with electricity does really not make things simpler.

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Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
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> El 14/05/2014, a las 07:12, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> escribió:
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> Any definition of net neutrality which makes it impossible to charge users who use more data higher fees than people who use less data is a reduction to the absurd of the whole idea. It's like saying a 3Gb fiber link should be leased for the same monthly rate as a T1, or that charging electrical power by the kwh is unfair.
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> Hi Chris
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>> On 14/05/2014, at 12:52 pm, Chip Sharp (chsharp) <chsharp at cisco.com> wrote:
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>> Now is being proposed the idea that Net Neutrality includes business relationships that don't require direct manipulation of data flow in the network.  Zero rating is one example of this, but not the only one.  
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>> Is this is really a Net Neutrality issue or is it an example of an innovative business offering?
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> In countries where data caps are common this is often seen as a net neutrality issue.  
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> At a technical level the traffic is actually treated differently if the data cap is exceeded, when it will not be subject to the same sanctions applied to non-zero-rated traffic, which is commonly to rate limit or to block entirely.
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>> My view is that we still need flexibility to allow for innovation in business practices of ISPs *and* edge providers.
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>> Chip
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>>> On May 13, 2014, at 6:48 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org> wrote:
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>>> This is an interesting read on network neutrality from an African internet perspective.  I would summarise it as saying the principle is critical. How regulators apply it has to be sensitive to local contexts. The writer is Steve Song.
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>>> http://manypossibilities.net/2014/05/net-neutrality-in-africa/
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