[discuss] [Ext] Antw: Re: We have had four years since the Netmundial statement and the online world is getting worse

Sat Apr 28 13:52:14 UTC 2018

Hi,

Perhaps year 4 is a good year for an IGF workshop or pre-event on
Netmundial 4 years later.  And if there is interest, that could be the
starting point for a Netmundial at 5 years event.

avri

On 27-Apr-18 16:57, ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote:
> Well, it would be great to have something. I would love to see a
> Netmundial +5 event: I confess to not being over-excited about just
> having a sub theme or a workshop at IGF. But what can we do realistically?
>
> We also seem to have lost the cgi.br example of how to run things
> nationally with the current government in Brazil?
>
> Ian
>
>
>
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> From: "Nigel Hickson" <nigel.hickson at icann.org
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> Subject: Re: [discuss] [Ext] Antw: Re: We have had four years since
> the Netmundial statement and the online world is getting worse
>
>> Good evening
>>
>>  
>>
>> I am glad we are discussing this; thanks Ian.  Agree with Wolfgang,
>> IGF 2019 would be an ideal opportunity to both take stock of what has
>> been achieved since NETMundial and to look forward.  This could be a
>> real focus of the Event; should the MAG buy into it.  It could also
>> be a real opportunity to show (perhaps through an updating of
>> principles) that IGF can deliver positive outcomes;
>>
>>  
>>
>> Best
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>>
>> Nigel   
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>>  
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>> *From: *<discuss-bounces at 1net.org <mailto:discuss-bounces at 1net.org>>
>> on behalf of Wolfgang Kleinwächter
>> <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de
>> <mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de>>
>> *Date: *Thursday, 26 April 2018 at 22:08
>> *To: *"nicocamarao at gmail.com <mailto:nicocamarao at gmail.com>"
>> <nicocamarao at gmail.com <mailto:nicocamarao at gmail.com>>,
>> "nnenna75 at gmail.com <mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com>" <nnenna75 at gmail.com
>> <mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com>>
>> *Cc: *"discuss at 1net.org <mailto:discuss at 1net.org>" <discuss at 1net.org
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>> *Subject: *[Ext] [discuss] Antw: Re: We have had four years since the
>> Netmundial statement and the online world is getting worse
>>
>>  
>>
>> I did propose already three years ago to start planning for a
>> NetMundial+5. The IGF 2019 is hosted by Germany. The dates or
>> November 2019, the venue is Berlin. Shouldn´t we start a bottom up
>> process for a review of the Principles and the Roadmap?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Wolfgang
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>> >>> Nicolas Fiumarelli <nicocamarao at gmail.com
>> <mailto:nicocamarao at gmail.com>> 26.04.18 19.34 Uhr >>>
>>
>> Hello everyone. Nicolas Fiumarelli from Youth IGF Uruguay.
>>
>> Like Ian, I think the fact that 4 years have passed from this
>> activity makes me reflect and think, since then there has been no
>> activity that has a multistakeholder mechanism as strong as it was
>> when the call for comments on the statement happened. If there is any
>> way to rescue that technology, which allowed comments on the
>> paragraphs online. I think it was a very good moment, in fact I can
>> say with certainty that that was the boom of the technology applied
>> to multistakeholder modeling for creating agreements between hundreds
>> of interested parties .. And as Ian said, I do not like the idea of
>> waiting for things to be in resolved nation states acting
>> unilaterally when we already have experience of these digital and
>> dynamic multistakeholder ways of resolving things. My advice is to
>> return to these practices where technology takes a particular role in
>> making decisions or "agreements." I repeat, I have not seen an
>> activity as transparent and open as it was the setting of that
>> statement in NETMundial.
>>
>> Nico Fiumarelli.
>>
>>  
>>
>> 2018-04-25 20:16 GMT-03:00 Nnenna Nwakanma <nnenna75 at gmail.com
>> <mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com>>:
>>
>>     I am interested in this conversation
>>
>>     Nnenna
>>
>>      
>>
>>     On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 9:45 PM, ian.peter at ianpeter.com
>>     <mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com> <ian.peter at ianpeter.com
>>     <mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Just noticed that we have reached 4 years since this
>>         statement - and reading it again, it still has a lot of valid
>>         things to say.
>>
>>          
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>>         http://netmundial.br/netmundial-multistakeholder-statement/[netmundial.br]
>>         <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__netmundial.br_netmundial-2Dmultistakeholder-2Dstatement_&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=RrrXyaBfa00GH1liTedM3FwobVakuhJ-qs1N8-Ji8VE&m=B45a3Csz-5Q7UCi7Kkoz4_i8HyVetg4aAtaNFg8WRs4&s=eA8vxviM60M0c07_k2tPW9twuz8h8eT-fMC0vjQIdzg&e=>
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>>          
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>>         Sadly, however, there seems to be no current initiative or
>>         any on the horizon capable of addressing the global problems
>>         raised then, which are getting worse and taking on new
>>         dimensions.
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>>          
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>>         Do we just give up? Or just rely on nation states acting
>>         unilaterally to somehow resolve these problems when
>>         unilateral action is not sufficient and in some cases it
>>         isn't in their perceived interests to take any action whatsoever?
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>>          
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>>         Ian Peter
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