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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Are those the only choices—the Stasi or the Mafia?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>M<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Phillip Hallam-Baker [mailto:hallam@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 03, 2014 10:36 AM<br><b>To:</b> Stephen Farrell<br><b>Cc:</b> michael gurstein; discuss@1net.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [discuss] Blogpost: So What Do We Do Now? Living in a Post-Snowden World<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Stephen Farrell <<a href="mailto:stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie" target="_blank">stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br>I disagree with this bit:<br><br>On 01/02/2014 04:24 PM, michael gurstein wrote:<br>> But the revelations have just kept on coming and the tech community like<br>> everyone else recognizes the scope and depth and ultimately overwhelming<br>> power of an agency with access to the full might and resources of the<br>> richest, most powerful country on earth led by a President who himself seems<br>> to be either in thrall of the surveillance machine or indentured to it for<br>> reasons we may never know. They, now equally stand blinded by the headlights<br>> of a headlong careening tank, are recognizing with appalled<br>> self-incriminations what a horror they have allowed and contributed to being<br>> born.<br>><br>> Quite clearly technical solutions won't work (or at least won't scale) if<br>> the dominant power doesn't want it to work, and anyway who would trust that<br>> anti-surveillance solutions were working after all we know of how the<br>> corporate sector and the tech community has been (willingly or or no)<br>> brought in as semi-aware co-conspirators.<br><br>While we can't solve the problem via solely technical means,<br>there are technical things that we can and should be doing<br>that can increase the costs and visibility of pervasive<br>monitoring. And I don't think that the technical community are<br>blinded by headlights at all. That's not to say that there's<br>yet rough consensus on all the details, but I don't think the<br>above matches the current reality very well.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We might not be able to stop the NSA but those are not the actors I am most worried about. There are governments with rather worse ambitions and thanks to Snowden their cyber-attack agencies have just received carte blanche level funding.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We can certainly stop the Russian mafia from stealing money from our banks and stop vandals attacking power and water plants.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We can also modify the behavior of the NSA so that they think really hard before they authorize a program. From now on they are going to be thinking about the likelihood that any new program they authorize ends up on the front page of the NYT. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>Website: <a href="http://hallambaker.com/">http://hallambaker.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>