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<DIV>But the simple fact is, Demi, that ICANN is tainted by this special and
unilateral relationship. </DIV>
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<DIV>I gather this is probably one of the reasons the Montevideo statement
includes the following </DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 8px; LINE-HEIGHT: 16.313pt"><FONT face=Arial><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 11.3pt" color=#555555>“They called for accelerating the
globalization of<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><ABBR
title="Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers"
style="BORDER-BOTTOM: rgb(85,85,85) 1px dotted">ICANN</ABBR><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>and<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><ABBR
title="Internet Assigned Numbers Authority"
style="BORDER-BOTTOM: rgb(85,85,85) 1px dotted">IANA</ABBR><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>functions, towards an environment in
which all stakeholders, including all governments, participate on an equal
footing.”</FONT></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 8px; LINE-HEIGHT: 16.313pt">I also suggest this was
also the prime original motivator for ICANN approaching Brazil as regards the
forthcoming summit.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 8px; LINE-HEIGHT: 16.313pt">We can talk about layers
and dissect and theorise as much as we like, but this widely perceived
problem has to be dealt with one way or another, and it is a problem with
governance of ICANN. Best we come up with a good way to deal with
this.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 8px; LINE-HEIGHT: 16.313pt">Ian Peter</P>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=trieste@gmail.com
href="mailto:trieste@gmail.com">Demi Getschko</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:58 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=ian.peter@ianpeter.com
href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">Ian Peter</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=nashton@ccianet.org
href="mailto:nashton@ccianet.org">Nick Ashton-Hart</A> ; <A
title=jmamodio@gmail.com href="mailto:jmamodio@gmail.com">Jorge Amodio</A> ; <A
title=discuss@1net.org href="mailto:discuss@1net.org">discuss@1net.org</A>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [discuss] ICANN policy and "Internet
Governance"</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">>And because, even if
benignly, the government responsible for the NSA’s massive invasions of privacy
and breaches of sovereignty enjoys a unique unilateral relationship with ICANN
in terms of its unique role as regards root >zone authorisation.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">>Ian Peter</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: calibri">Ok, but besides the fact that
it is the very same government, I do not see any other relationship between the
NSA invasions and ICANN (or, even, Internet resources themselves). It was,
basically, a traditional infrastructure breach, with the probable collaboration
of some business sectors at the higher levels, leveraged by the huge computer
power available today, the (traditional) geographic concentration of the
undersea fiber, plus illegal telephonic monitoring...</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 6:34 AM, Ian Peter <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com"
target=_blank>ian.peter@ianpeter.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>And because, even if benignly, the government responsible for the NSA’s
massive invasions of privacy and breaches of sovereignty enjoys a unique
unilateral relationship with ICANN in terms of its unique role as regards root
zone authorisation. </DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=nashton@ccianet.org
href="mailto:nashton@ccianet.org" target=_blank>Nick Ashton-Hart</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 03, 2014 7:27 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=jmamodio@gmail.com href="mailto:jmamodio@gmail.com"
target=_blank>Jorge Amodio</A> ; <A title=avri@acm.org
href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target=_blank>Avri Doria</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=discuss@1net.org href="mailto:discuss@1net.org"
target=_blank>discuss@1net.org</A> </DIV>
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<P dir=ltr>Because the gory details of their activities are not being
disclosed daily and because the majority of the technology and Internet
bandwidth does not pass through either country.</P>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>Jorge Amodio <<A href="mailto:jmamodio@gmail.com"
target=_blank>jmamodio@gmail.com</A>> wrote:
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<BR> we are doing for ourselves as a multistakeholder organization. The NSA fiasco makes doing ICANN's job harder. That makes it an Internet governance, for want of a better term, issue.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Why are we focusing so much on the NSA fiasco ? What about the China fiasco, the Russia fiasco, the Turkey fiasco, the India fiasco, the Tunis fiasco, and so on ?<BR>
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