<div dir="ltr">Michael,<div><br></div><div>one last try...</div><div><br></div><div>What issues away, well very far away from ICANN do you think should be addressed? </div><div><br></div><div>How has Community Informatics set an example that others should follow? </div>
<div><br></div><div>How and where is that sequestered by the evil forces?</div><div><br></div><div>What is the exciting discussion forum where the respective debate is taking place?</div><div><br></div><div>Alejandro Pisanty</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:33 PM, michael gurstein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thanks for you clarity on this John…<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Inline…<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> John Curran [mailto:<a href="mailto:jcurran@istaff.org" target="_blank">jcurran@istaff.org</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 03, 2014 4:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> michael gurstein<br><b>Cc:</b> 1Net List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [discuss] Transparency and Accountability vis-�-vis ICANN and the IANA functions<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">On Apr 3, 2014, at 6:43 PM, michael gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">John,</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">You probably overlooked this paragraph</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">There is a third possible goal (which I would anticipate many in this discussion will suggest) which is “enabling the most effective (and/or efficient) operation of the Internet”. However, on close examination I think it is clear that this is not (and cannot) be a discrete goal in itself, rather it simply awaits the raising of the same question… <u>“enabling the most effective operation of the Internet” for what</u>… --the public interest or the range of private interests?</span></i><u></u><u></u></p>
</div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Michael - <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> I saw the paragraph, and answered it: the technical coordination of Internet identifier <u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> predominantly serves the providers of the infrastructure of the Internet itself, i.e. private <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> interests.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">[MG>] yes…</span></i></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> That does not mean that the Internet itself cannot be focused on serving public interests,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
or have a set of principles oriented towards that purpose, but simply that a set of principles <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> for that purpose are above the infrastructure,... i.e. a set of principles for Internet _governance_, <u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> whereas ICANN and the related registries are predominantly about technical administration,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> and need a set of principles focused on open and transparent administration of the registries.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">[MG>] So, in an Internet ecology where ICANN is a central player and where they have very considerable funds (and an active interest) to animate and influence that ecology the central “principle” is that of supporting and enabling “private interests”. <u></u><u></u></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></i></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">That being the case perhaps you could tell us, given the current configuration of activities and the evidently single minded push from the USG and the leadership of ICANN to be the core framework for Internet Governance, where exactly will the initiatives come from to ensure that “the Internet… can.. be focused on public interests” or develop a “set of principles oriented towards that purpose”… especially since ICANN has worked so assiduously to ensure that Civil Society (and the technical community) is aligned with its activities and directions (and values?).<u></u><u></u></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></i></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’m wondering if an ”Internet for the private good” (i.e. for the benefit of the Comcasts of the world and their owners—the 1%) is consistent with the desires and expectations of the rest of the world outside of the rarified atmosphere of ICANN’s 5 star hotels and the USG and their allies and that in fact most (and including their countries) would very much opt for an Internet for the Common Good… <u></u><u></u></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></i></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">M <u></u><u></u></span></i></b></p>
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FYI,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">/John<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Disclaimer: My view alone.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
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