<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I think it's more the case that the IGF has so badly fumbled the ball that it falls to someone - anyone - else to pick it up. But that is not to discount the valid criticisms that others have expressed and that I agree with. </div><div><br></div><div>Disclaimer: I'm a member of the evil cabal. <br><br><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">-- </span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Jeremy Malcolm</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Senior Global Policy Analyst</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Electronic Frontier Foundation</span></div><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><a href="https://eff.org/">https://eff.org</a><br><a href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="link" x-apple-data-detectors-result="3">jmalcolm@eff.org</a></span></font><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Tel: <a href="tel:415.436.9333" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="telephone" x-apple-data-detectors-result="4">415.436.9333</a> ext 161</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">:: Defending Your Rights in the Digital World ::</span></div></div><div><br>On Aug 13, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Can someone explain why a noted business centred forum is the place to launch an Internet governance initiative?<div><br></div><div>I genuinely don't understand that. </div><div><br></div><div>I thought the whole lesson of netmundial was that genuine multi stakeholder approaches work well, not that it was a nice experiment to be ignored.</div>
<div><br></div><div>It would be helpful if those who rule us, as it were, would rapidly disclose some authoritative information.</div><div><br></div><div>Jordan <span></span><br><br>On Thursday, 14 August 2014, Stephen Farrell <<a href="mailto:stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie">stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie</a>> wrote:<br>
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Gotta say... seems like elitist nonsense to me having looked<br>
at the invite list and other docs. The elitist part should be<br>
obvious. The nonsense part is due to almost none of the list<br>
of invitees being known for knowing about the Internet. It<br>
seems much more an elite than an Internet-savvy list of folks<br>
being asked to form a new cabal. That said, cabals aren't all<br>
bad, and I've no reason to think very badly of this particular<br>
subset of the elite and its I guess just more meaningless policy<br>
stuff so I don't need to care very much.<br>
<br>
That said, it seems a pity for this to be the next step after<br>
the Brazil gig which seemed relatively open.<br>
<br>
S.<br>
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On 14/08/14 02:36, William Drake wrote:<br>
> Hi<br>
><br>
> I proposed several times to the 1NET Co Com that 1NET explore serving as a more open multistakeholder vehicle for connecting people to the NETmundial Initiative. Several members expressed support for that, but since how the NMI will evolve remains very unclear it’s hard to know ex ante how this could work. I made the same suggestion to Fadi in London, didn’t get much reaction.<br>
><br>
> As I understand the basic idea, NMI will have a six month launch managed by WEF but the hope would be that this leads to something broader and more inclusive in a second phase. Not how I would have done it, but that said I wouldn’t assume before the fact that the second phase will not come. We have to see for starters how the conversation goes 28 August and what is possible…<br>
><br>
> Bill<br>
><br>
> On Aug 13, 2014, at 10:00 PM, Avri Doria <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'avri@ACM.ORG')">avri@ACM.ORG</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hi,<br>
>><br>
>> Just wondering, is this a proper list for those who have been catching<br>
>> bits and pieces of the ICANN/WEF 'NetMundial Initiaitve' to be discussed.<br>
>><br>
>> I think it might be, and have even suggested it to others, but figured I<br>
>> better check first.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> avri<br>
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