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Lee at asgard.org
Thu Dec 19 16:59:26 UTC 2013
You keep using terms with which I am unfamiliar.
From: JFC Morfin <jefsey at jefsey.com>
> When these are machines (bots: automated processes) rather than condisciples
> you have to document, code and operate them and their protocols. This is why
> Vint explains that the internet is nothing more than a set of rules. In the
> reality people and machines are mixed in the same anthropobotic (Men+Bots)
> society. This means the protocol and code apply to hardware, software and
What's a condisciple? What's brainware? What is an anthropobotic
The rest of the paragraph doesn't make much sense to me, either. Are you
inventing a new discipline?
> Hardware and software are the T&A cup of tea. Brainware is the area of
> anthropologists like Ben, and of Govs. Its set of rules/laws is established by
> the governance. This is why in order to master the whole thing you are to be
> an anthropobologist.
What's T&A in this context?
> Then you enter a new world. Up to now anthropology was "static" because men do
> not change that fast, nor the characteristics of their society. The
> anthropobotic society changes much faster because of the changes of the bots,
> and because of the additional synergy. Alvin Toffler indentified this in 1970
> with his famous diagnostic of the "future shock" that also results from the
> increase of the density of disciples (and now of mobiles) in the class-room.
I don't understand this contribution.
> This is the problem this list (and the world) are confronted to : how to
> understand, face and manage that synergy (the T&A see as its resulting "big
> bounty"). Vint had felt it and how to cope with it. This is his second
> motivation for the internet. However, IMHO, his project was confused by his
> use of the term "loose" to qualify the term "local" to partly extend the
> American meaning of "global" to the French meaning of the term .
Sorry, what synergy? Loose and local what?
What it this American vs. French/global discrepancy of the word "global" you
keep referring to?
> Developpers, business and computers do not understand what is a "loose" term
> and disregarded it. Staying local (network of ISP networks) in the end to end
> globally (Americain meaning) controlled interneting. This is why they consider
> trade, societal, intelligent (brainware) networking as a separate issue to be
> handled at the fringe (between the "end" and the "host"). This is a problem
> for T&A as, as per the IEN 48 prototype project's first motivation, they
> usually understandi "end = host".
How is a network of ISPs local?
What is interneting?
What is fringe?
> This kind of concern is no part of the I*CEO's Internet technology. This is a
> very basic one of the IG.
Sorry, too many pronouns. What is "this"?
> This is why Brian Carpenter gives-up. This is perfectly consistent with his
> - T&A are end to end
> - the rest is fringe to fringe.
> This is why I asked him (1) to give an example of end to end which has no
> relation with fringe to fringe issues (2) to tell me whay decide it if someone
You keep making reference to people (Vint, Brian, Ben) rather than to ideas.
That level of indirection is not helping me understand what you're getting
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