[discuss] Report from the BR meeting local organizing group - Dec 2013

[S Moonesamy]

Hi Mawaki,
At 12:46 22-12-2013, Mawaki Chango wrote:
>It tells me two things. One, despite your own skepticism (well 
>noted), some in the technical community may still be of the opinion 
>that some technical improvements are possible, and they are trying 
>to achieve that. Two, you recognize that there are some negative 
>issues, but you think they are of societal and political kind and so 
>will be their solutions, if there are solutions.

There are negative issues.  Once one gets into the details one might 
come across solutions.  The problem with the solutions is that they 
come together with other problems.

>There is nothing I disagree with there. So for me it's simple. I 
>don't think the BR meeting purports to be an IETF kind of meeting 
>with a view to come up with a blueprint for the redesign of the 
>Internet, not at all. The talk that will take place there is, IMHO, 
>of the societal and political kind --which you recognize may be 
>relevant in this context. And if, in addition to bringing some 
>clarity to the issues on that front, the outcome of the BR meeting 
>also sends a signal of encouragement to those in the technical 
>community already striving to make some improvements so that they 
>take a long and hard view in order to come up with some 
>innovative/ingenious possible (if only partial or incremental) 
>solutions, wouldn't that be enough? I would think so (keeping in 
>mind that all these folks have been running around to IGFs since 
>2006 without accomplishing any of these.) After all, wasn't one of 
>the defining innovative features of the TCP/IP architecture to be 
>modular and capable of evolving?

I can give you a magic box which provides you with the ability to 
communicate with many people in the world.  It also allows many 
people to communicate with you.  Some of these people may be bad 
people.  The architecture can be fixed to prevent bad people from 
communicating with you.  I would have to ask you to define "bad 
people" to implement that fix in the magic box.

I'll assume that innovative or ingenious solutions are 
possible.  Before getting into solutions it would help to get an 
understanding of what the problems are, or as what is written above, 
bring clarity to the issues.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy