[discuss] Questions regarding business sector participation

Nigel Hickson nigel.hickson at icann.org
Tue Dec 24 08:00:19 UTC 2013

Good morning 

And factually, in ICANN, business is represented in different
constituencies; they all bring their differing experiences and knowledge to
the table.  



From:  Nick Ashton-Hart <nashton at ccianet.org>
Date:  Tuesday, December 24, 2013 8:39 AM
To:  "Shatan, Gregory S." <GShatan at ReedSmith.com>, 'Avri Doria'
<avri at acm.org>, "discuss at 1net.org" <discuss at 1net.org>
Subject:  Re: [discuss] Questions regarding business sector participation

Actually, I don't think the underlying premise - that most businesses are
simply users - is really true. For example, the supply chain of much of
industry is now dependent upon the Internet. Many companies interface their
supply chain 'hooks' into their production and logistics systems. Services,
which are a majority of the developed world's economy, are tradeable because
of the Internet - which means that a very large number of business are
reliant upon the Internet for the delivery of their products.

That doesn't mean that industry cannot have sub-groupings to represent
different sectors - and in fact this is true now, there are trade
associations that focus on Internet services' issues, ISP issues, etc.

The divisions in ICANN are understandable at least to some extent -
registries and registrars have different interests to everyone else on many
things thanks to contractual relationship with ICANN.

"Shatan, Gregory S." <GShatan at ReedSmith.com> wrote:
> I think there are fundamental differences between infrastructure providers
> (e.g., registries (ccTLDs and gTLDs), registrars, DNS providers and ISPs) and
> the general business community.  The vast majority of businesses are "users"
> -- they plug into the internet and take it as they find it.  They will use it
> to allow the rest of the world to find their website, and to conduct business
> and payments, and to send and receive emails, but the Internet itself is more
> or less a "black box."  Infrastructure providers have a fundamentally
> different relationship to the internet as builders and maintainers of the
> Internet and sellers of internet services of various types (domain names,
> connectivity, etc.), in addition to their "business user" relationship.  The
> question is how and where does those infrastructure issues, interests and
> concerns find representation?  These concerns are irrelevant to the rest of
> business (except to the extent that business, like civil soc!
>  iety,
> individuals  and every other user depends on the "black box" to work).
> Furthermore their approach and desired outcomes to IG issues, interests and
> concerns may be significantly different from (or even diametrically opposed
> to) those of business users.  For these reasons, shoehorning them into
> "business" is an uncomfortable fit.
> Of course, anytime you try to divide a complex ecosystem into 4 parts, you
> will have a range of views within each of those parts.  But I think this "fit"
> issue is a fundamentally different one, because infrastructure providers have
> a direct and unique relationship to the Internet that is fundamentally
> different from those of business users (or any other users).  While the
> business stakeholders can represent infrastructure providers' generic concerns
> as "business users" of the Internet "black box," whether and how they should
> represent their concerns as infrastructure providers inside the "black box" is
> entirely a different matter.
> Greg
> Shatan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces at 1net.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at 1net.org] On Behalf Of
> Avri Doria
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 9:06 AM
> To: discuss at 1net.org
> Subject: Re: [discuss] Questions regarding business sector participation
> On 20-Dec-13 11:16, Neuman, Jeff wrote:
>>  Sometimes technical is also including.  But many of the infrastructure
>> providers, including registries (ccTLDs and gTLDs), registrars, DNS providers
>> and ISPs are left out of the mix.
> For the most part, in the larger scheme of things, aren't they, for the most
> part, businesses.  I would think that at the scope of 1net, business would
> include all of these as sub-groupings and would need to deal internally with
> that diversity.
> This is the same way that CS is now grappling!
>   with
> the problem of trying to be inclusive of all perspectives and grouping of
> organized civil society.  Etc.
> avri
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