[discuss] Current drive

[Fouad Bajwa]

One thing that concerns me is that can ICANN perform both the roles
effectively for RZM planning and management and then the IANA function
planning and management and how will a governance, accountability and
transparency model be developed to ensure that ICANN is at least
accountable. Accountability to a community within ICANN and to a
global community are two different issues. ICANN does find some path
towards this within its infant ms model of 15 years for being
accountable and being transparent is a whole different effort and we
somewhat have a feeling of how true is that.

So far, I've seen discussions within 1net, ICANN and ISOC trying to
cope with the understanding of stewardship.

On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:12 AM, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com> wrote:
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> This part of what Wolfgang wrote is very well said:
>
>> ICANN has recognized that it does not live isolated but is part of a
>> broader Internet Governance Ecosystem. If ICANN want
>> s
>> to continue to manage its core business correctly, it has also to invest
>> into an environment which allows to do this.
>
>
> If this is agreed, then we also need to agree that such an effort requires
> resources, though I wouldn't brand the flow of revenues as "taxes" or
> "rent". If ICANN acknowledges its broader role and starts "investing" in
> broader causes of Global Public interest of importance to the Internet, then
> Michael Gurstein's "other points" are automatically answered.
>
> I would consider the multi-stakeholder model of ICANN as a model barely 15
> years old, so in its crawling stage of infancy (Compare it with Democracy
> which is over 2000 years old :) ) For a model of Governance that is barely
> 15 years old, ICANN has done exceedingly well. If we could acknowledge it
> this way, then it becomes easier to contribute to make the ICANN governance
> better in areas where improvements are needed.
>
> Sivasubramanian M
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>
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> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:30 AM, John Curran <jcurran at istaff.org> wrote:
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>> On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:33 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>
>> But a couple of other points:
>> 1.       ICANN's privileged position in the Internet gives it the
>> opportunity to obtain significant revenues from the Internet--some have
>> described this as "rent" others as a "tax" on the Internet and/or Internet
>> users.
>> 2.       Given the nature of ICANN's role and history these funds I would
>> argue are in a sense funds collected on behalf of the entire Internet
>> community which I, at least, would define as everyone since everyone in the
>> world is now in one way or another impacted by the Internet, with increasing
>> numbers more directly involved in contributing either directly or indirectly
>> to the content and operation of the Internet. (If these funds are not
>> collected on behalf of the global internet community who in fact are they
>> being collected for and by what authority?)
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>> Michael -
>>
>>    If ICANN is collecting more than is necessary for fulfilling its
>> mission regarding
>>    coordination and stability of Internet identifier system (including
>> appropriate and
>>    conservative reserve development given such its very important
>> mission), then
>>    that should be fixed; it represents a simple governance challenge with
>> respect
>>    to those paying for the services and the overall cost of delivery.
>>
>>    Repainting the funds as a "tax" in the public trust, and then
>> establishing a regime
>>    for management of them would change the nature of ICANN, effectively
>> creating
>>    "taxation" powers that  would normally be reserved for governments, and
>> completely
>>    without need, purely resulting from the avoidance of addressing what
>> should be
>>    a simple issue.
>>
>>    There are associations which coordinate systems such as credit card
>> numbers and
>>    bar codes, and charge the organizations who use those systems, with the
>> resulting
>>    imputed costs passed along as a nominal component of what is seen by
>> the public.
>>    I'd prefer that none of these organizations starting pretending to be
>> governmental
>>    taxation authorities by collecting more than they need for their narrow
>> mission; the
>>    same logic applies to ICANN in its mission of coordination of the
>> Internet identifier
>>    spaces.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> /John
>>
>> Disclaimer:  My views alone.
>>
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