[discuss] NETmundial / Neelie Kroes: My thoughts on NETmundial and the Future of Internet Governance

[Adam Peake]

hi michael,

you use many words to say (and often mock) what you do not want.  but do not say what you want.  if not multistakeholder, then what?  please try to be clear. 

thank you,

Adam




On Apr 13, 2014, at 6:49 AM, michael gurstein wrote:

> FWIW I see a lot of merit in this formulation but rather than putting the emphasis on a still undefined and shape shifting "multistakeholder model" I would put the emphasis on ways of adapting and evolving democratic practice (including towards the self-organization of democratic processes--a fascinating idea and one worth exploring in-depth I think). 
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> In complex, technology intensive, rapidly changing environments it is clear, that there is a need and an opportunity for broader inclusion in decision making processes in particular including those with specific technical expertise (for technical decisions) and those most directly impacted/involved/holding "stakes" in democratically derived decisions (for many other instances).
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> M
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> I might be presumptuous to offer, but these minor edits should help:
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> I disagree with her arguments about Democracy and the Multi-Stakeholder model, in that I see [the Multi-Stakeholder model] as a form of participatory democracy that includes (a) the representative democratic ideal of the individual countries, and (b) the varieties of democratic self organization among the stakeholders, to create a richer trans-national form of democracy.
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> Avri,
> 
> I've read this 3 times and I still have no idea what you are saying.
> 
> M
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> Hi
> 
> [MG>] snip
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> Whereas I disagree with her arguments about Democracy and the Multi-Stakeholder model in that I see it as a form of participatory democracy that includes the representative democratic ideal of the individual countries and the varieties of democratic self organization among the stakeholders to create a richer trans-national form of democracy.
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> avri
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