[discuss] we need to fix what may be broken

[George Sadowsky]

Carlos,

To be fair, you have enumerated a lot of issues, of which I would agree that the majority are real problems.  But some are not problems that specifically relate to Internet governance unless you dramatically expand the meaning of the term; they are the result of the availability of the Internet and the inevitable migration of ALL forms of human behavior to the the net.

But most of the problems that you mention are not at issue in terms of the NTIA-IANA transition.    Now your intervention is perfectly OK if you believe that Net Mundial should cover so many problems at so many levels.  If you do so, however, the current plans for the Net Mundial structure are hopelessly inadequate, and we will need a meeting of at least 3-4 weeks, appropriately segmented, to deal with the issues you raise.

I would like again to argue strongly for well defined problem statements, so that we have the possibility of addressing each separately and definitively.  Until we do this, the mix of generalities, allegations, and misinformation will prevail.

There’s an old joke that I think applies here.

You take your girlfriend and some friends to a night club.  She has too much to drink, takes off some of her clothes, gets up on top of the table and starts dancing.

If you are embarrassed, that is _your_ problem.

If your friends become embarrassed, that is _their_ problem.

If your girlfriend gets arrested by the police, that is _her_ problem.

When defining problems, it is really quite important to determine whose problem it really is.  I suggest that this method be applied to your list of problems.

As usual, fraternal regards,

George






On Apr 15, 2014, at 6:07 PM, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty at gmail.com> wrote:

> Carlos,
> 
> if a request for a clear problem statement is considered stone-throwing we had better not attend NetMundial at all.
> 
> I understand that the rest of the organization is trying to remain open to ideas and challenges, and surely Carlos's reaction to my polite request is not representative of the whole. I still expect Brazil to be as usual a welcoming host.
> 
> Alejandro Pisanty
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:
> Dear folks, I forgot to say that I expect some hard stone-throwing...
> but also good comments.
> 
> fraternal regards
> 
> --c.a.
> 
> On 04/15/2014 06:55 PM, Alejandro Pisanty wrote:
> > Carlos
> >
> > so many of your statements here are false or twisted in your assumed
> > implications that it hurts. No time to go over each of them; plus it may
> > become one more massive distraction. Let's go on to something concrete:
> >
> > How do you propose to fix it? can you provide an example of a system
> > that works like you wish to be the outcome of NetMundial? Like, a
> > country that has started some serious, scalable fixes? Direct
> > cause-effect links would be preferrable. Pick any paragraph if you don't
> > want to go over the whole list at once.
> >
> > Alejandro Pisanty
> 
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