[discuss] we need to fix what may be broken

Carlos A. Afonso ca at cafonso.ca
Thu Apr 17 11:16:43 UTC 2014

In the same vein, a blogger is murdered by order of a politician, it is
not per se a theme of Internet governance -- but freedom of expression is.

The point is: I am not saying that specific events are per se themes of
Internet governance, and you may continue to build a near infinite list
of events ending with the same phrase or question.

My point is that the events I quoted reveal that international
coordination related to the development, operation and maintenance of
the net need a lot of improvement and more efficacy. Like killing
bloggers is an indication that we need to strongly advocate for the
universalization of freedom of expression.

I find it amazing that some brillant techies cannot perceive that, or
worse, that they see any diagnostics like mine as threats to the
wonderful work they do (and it is indeed wonderful, but still the
coordination of the "grand scheme of things" is faulty, needs
significant improvement, it is a very relevant component of IG which
needs to be discussed and advanced).

fraternal regards


On 04/17/2014 01:41 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> In a word, none of those issues are Internet governance.
> How, for example, is the USA bugging Angela Merkel's cell phone
> anything to do with Internet governance? How is the NSA snagging
> and analysing billions of email headers a defect in Internet governance?
> Sounds like a problem with NSA governance to me. Was it an error in
> telegraph cable governance that led to the Zimmermann telegram incident
> in 1917?
> I could continue but I won't. This business is complex enough without
> dragging in irrelevant problems.
> Regards
>    Brian
> On 17/04/2014 11:43, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
>> Apologies for the top post, but this will be illegible if I try to interleave from my phone. 
>> I would like to know why "governance" in particular is the answer to even one of these problems.  
>> The OpenSSL case is a good example.  People have freeloaded on that project for years, offering it precious little support while leaving security auditing and cryptanalysis for "someone else".  If you think that trash in your neighborhood park is a problem, the answer is not to form a committee. The answer is to make like Pete Seeger and pick up some trash. 
>> Yahoo's DMARC decision is another good example.  That is a service supported mostly by advertising. Don't like what they're doing?  Organize a boycott.  That'll change things. Ask Mozilla. 
>> IPv6 is indeed a problem, and I will not defend the series of decisions that got us here (though it's trickier than many seem to imagine). But actually, in my experience, v6 just works now.  I use it all the time.  It's not a "governance" problem, but an economics problem. 
>> And it seems to me that there we arrive at the issue: this is about who's going to pay. That's very well, but I don't see why it's "Internet governance".
>> Best regards,
>> A

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