[discuss] we need to fix what may be broken

Thu Apr 17 14:00:11 UTC 2014

Carlos,

the perception is not of a threat.

Alejandro Pisanty

On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 6:16 AM, Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:

> In the same vein, a blogger is murdered by order of a politician, it is
> not per se a theme of Internet governance -- but freedom of expression is.
>
> The point is: I am not saying that specific events are per se themes of
> Internet governance, and you may continue to build a near infinite list
> of events ending with the same phrase or question.
>
> My point is that the events I quoted reveal that international
> coordination related to the development, operation and maintenance of
> the net need a lot of improvement and more efficacy. Like killing
> bloggers is an indication that we need to strongly advocate for the
> universalization of freedom of expression.
>
> I find it amazing that some brillant techies cannot perceive that, or
> worse, that they see any diagnostics like mine as threats to the
> wonderful work they do (and it is indeed wonderful, but still the
> coordination of the "grand scheme of things" is faulty, needs
> significant improvement, it is a very relevant component of IG which
> needs to be discussed and advanced).
>
> fraternal regards
>
> --c.a.
>
> On 04/17/2014 01:41 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> > In a word, none of those issues are Internet governance.
> >
> > How, for example, is the USA bugging Angela Merkel's cell phone
> > anything to do with Internet governance? How is the NSA snagging
> > and analysing billions of email headers a defect in Internet governance?
> > Sounds like a problem with NSA governance to me. Was it an error in
> > telegraph cable governance that led to the Zimmermann telegram incident
> > in 1917?
> >
> > I could continue but I won't. This business is complex enough without
> > dragging in irrelevant problems.
> >
> > Regards
> >    Brian
> >
> > On 17/04/2014 11:43, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
> >> Apologies for the top post, but this will be illegible if I try to
> interleave from my phone.
> >>
> >> I would like to know why "governance" in particular is the answer to
> even one of these problems.
> >>
> >> The OpenSSL case is a good example.  People have freeloaded on that
> project for years, offering it precious little support while leaving
> security auditing and cryptanalysis for "someone else".  If you think that
> trash in your neighborhood park is a problem, the answer is not to form a
> committee. The answer is to make like Pete Seeger and pick up some trash.
> >>
> >> Yahoo's DMARC decision is another good example.  That is a service
> supported mostly by advertising. Don't like what they're doing?  Organize a
> boycott.  That'll change things. Ask Mozilla.
> >>
> >> IPv6 is indeed a problem, and I will not defend the series of decisions
> that got us here (though it's trickier than many seem to imagine). But
> actually, in my experience, v6 just works now.  I use it all the time.
>  It's not a "governance" problem, but an economics problem.
> >>
> >> And it seems to me that there we arrive at the issue: this is about
> who's going to pay. That's very well, but I don't see why it's "Internet
> governance".
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> A
> >>
> >
>
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