[discuss] [governance] RE: [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents online for comment

Sat Apr 19 11:22:43 UTC 2014

Hi Doug,

Hope all's well -- been a long time since we held teleconferences between Evergreen and GLOCOM.

If you've not already done so, please take a look at the NETmundial documents <http://document.netmundial.br/>  

A few of the proposed principles are relevant your comments below.  The comment period on the documents open until April 21 UTC 12:00.

Best,

Adam

On Apr 19, 2014, at 5:55 AM, Doug Schuler wrote:

> 
> Shouldn't be too hard to come up with a rough approximation of the
> degree of democratization that most people would agree with. E.g.
> 
> + The approach should be transparent from beginning to end.
> 
> + The approach should be inclusive from beginning  to end.
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> + All people should be able to participate as equals from beginning to end.
> (For example, If there is no way for people to participate formally — equally — 
> in the decision-making process, one can't really call a process democratic.)
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> These are some minimal characteristics of democracy.
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> How do we evaluate the current process — and shouldn't there be
> millions if not billions of eyes on this?
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> Many of the actions that are being taken will be very difficult
> to undue if and when they're found to be ineffective or unjust.
> 
> — Doug
> 
> 
> Douglas Schuler
> douglas at publicsphereproject.org
> https://twitter.com/doug_schuler
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> On Apr 18, 2014, at 1:20 PM, michael gurstein wrote:
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>> Thanks c.a.
>> 
>> And remembering that in an earlier distant life I was a sociologist. Perhaps
>> you could elaborate on what you have written below... I really don't see how
>> having self-selected "stakeholders" sitting around a table making
>> deals/decisions that affect themselves (and their interests) and everyone
>> else (most of whom would have no real opportunity to function as
>> "stakeholders" whether through exclusionary practices of existing
>> stakeholders or because of a lack of resources etc.) can in any sense be
>> "made" democratic.
>> 
>> But I could be wrong.
>> 
>> M
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Carlos A. Afonso [mailto:ca at cafonso.ca] 
>> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 4:30 PM
>> To: McTim; governance at lists.igcaucus.org; michael gurstein
>> Cc: 1Net List; ciresearchers at vancouvercommunity.net
>> Subject: Re: [discuss] [governance] RE: [ciresearchers] NETmundial documents
>> online for comment
>> 
>> Since I do not bother being bashed, I dare to advance (borrowing from
>> Geometry, please recall that in the distant past I did naval
>> engineering) that "multistakeholder" is orthogonal to "democracy",
>> "participation" and so on. We make multistakeholder democratic and
>> participative by our own (each stakeholder's) actions.
>> 
>> fraternal regards
>> 
>> --c.a.
>> 
>> On 04/18/2014 12:05 PM, McTim wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Clearly there is an intent to replace democratic governance with 
>>>> multistakeholder governance. But this issue is not addressed in a 
>>>> forthright manner anywhere in the document.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I believer the opposite to be true.
>>> 
>>> You and a few other folk would like to replace the 40 year old 
>>> existing governance model of the Internet with a version of 
>>> Westphalianism.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> McTim
>>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A 
>>> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
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