[discuss] Subjects IG other than ICANN, IETF, IPv4-6
kstubbs at afilias.info
Tue Jan 7 03:39:37 UTC 2014
On 1/6/2014 10:20 PM, Alejandro Pisanty wrote:
> I'll chime in here - I've been calling to dissect Internet governance
> from #SnoopGovernance for a while.
> The whole Brazil affair is an artificial construct. A far more
> credible move would have been for the government there to publish an
> Executive order or decree to put their own law-enforcement and
> security forces under strict rules for surveillance of their own
> citizens and foreign governments/foreign nationals. A second, bit
> slower, credible move would have been to send a Personal Data
> Protection law to the Legislative, with explicit provisions with
> respect to action by governmental surveillance and monitoring parties
> as above. So... even Germany, in the statement that made it to the UN
> General Assembly, took away all the Internet governance provisions and
> left only the privacy of communications and rules-abiding
> surveillance/monitoring/espionage part, in terms open enough that all
> governments will continue to do what they see fit to do but look good
> on paper.
> This is not to deny there is some incidence on the Internet and its
> governance; but little in this field will be solved until engineers
> have the specs from law and actual practice of surveillance. Nick
> Ashton-Hart is totally credible re there being an outrage in Geneva;
> but we all can have a different opinion on how artificial or misguided
> it is. Also, whatever the level of artificiality you attribute to it,
> it is happening, and Fadi Chehade and other signatories of the
> Montevideo statement have made a bold but likely wise move in rising
> up to the challenge.
> The IETF's perpass action (reviewing Internet protocols considering
> pervasive passive monitoring of networks as an attack, as most in this
> list know) is a good engineering move, designing modularly and
> adaptably around a moving target.
> So, next step: "Orphan Issues." Let's see a list so that people like
> you, Andrew Sullivan, David Conrad, Suzanne Woolf, Jorge Amodio and
> others can start to analyze and design for them. And spend a while
> away from ICANN discussions, at least to see if there are any fresh
> ideas out there. Nick has got a really strong point in asking about this.
> Alejandro Pisanty
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Brian E Carpenter
> <brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com <mailto:brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com>> wrote:
> On 07/01/2014 05:34, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
> > Dear All,
> > There seems to be a great deal of discussion about the more
> traditional IG subjects, but not much about the new realities
> imposed upon the entire field by the Snowden revelations. This
> seems to me to be a bit of missing the forest for the trees.
> > IG is now a head-of-state level issue because of surveillance,
> If you review the Snowden revelations, you can clearly see that
> this is not by any means exclusively an Internet issue. The topic
> is Surveillance governance, covering all forms of telecommunications
> (and for that matter, surveillance of paper correspondence to the
> extent that it still exists).
> The link with the issues commonly described as Internet governance
> is fairly weak; the link with Internet security and privacy technology
> is strong, of course.
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