[discuss] Subjects IG other than ICANN, IETF, IPv4-6

[Ken Stubbs]

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On 1/6/2014 10:20 PM, Alejandro Pisanty wrote:
> Brian,
>
> I'll chime in here - I've been calling to dissect Internet governance 
> from #SnoopGovernance for a while.
>
> The whole Brazil affair is an artificial construct. A far more 
> credible move would have been for the government there to publish an 
> Executive order or decree to put their own law-enforcement and 
> security forces under strict rules for surveillance of their own 
> citizens and foreign governments/foreign nationals. A second, bit 
> slower, credible move would have been to send a Personal Data 
> Protection law to the Legislative, with explicit provisions with 
> respect to action by governmental surveillance and monitoring parties 
> as above. So... even Germany, in the statement that made it to the UN 
> General Assembly, took away all the Internet governance provisions and 
> left only the privacy of communications and rules-abiding 
> surveillance/monitoring/espionage part, in terms open enough that all 
> governments will continue to do what they see fit to do but look good 
> on paper.
>
> This is not to deny there is some incidence on the Internet and its 
> governance; but little in this field will be solved until engineers 
> have the specs from law and actual practice of surveillance. Nick 
> Ashton-Hart is totally credible re there being an outrage in Geneva; 
> but we all can have a different opinion on how artificial or misguided 
> it is. Also, whatever the level of artificiality you attribute to it, 
> it is happening, and Fadi Chehade and other signatories of the 
> Montevideo statement have made a bold but likely wise move in rising 
> up to the challenge.
>
> The IETF's perpass action (reviewing Internet protocols considering 
> pervasive passive monitoring of networks as an attack, as most in this 
> list know) is a good engineering move, designing modularly and 
> adaptably around a moving target.
>
> So, next step: "Orphan Issues." Let's see a list so that people like 
> you, Andrew Sullivan, David Conrad, Suzanne Woolf, Jorge Amodio and 
> others can start to analyze and design for them. And spend a while 
> away from ICANN discussions, at least to see if there are any fresh 
> ideas out there. Nick has got a really strong point in asking about this.
>
> Yours,
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Brian E Carpenter 
> <brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com <mailto:brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     On 07/01/2014 05:34, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
>     > Dear All,
>     >
>     > There seems to be a great deal of discussion about the more
>     traditional IG subjects, but not much about the new realities
>     imposed upon the entire field by the Snowden revelations. This
>     seems to me to be a bit of missing the forest for the trees.
>     >
>     > IG is now a head-of-state level issue because of surveillance,
>
>     If you review the Snowden revelations, you can clearly see that
>     this is not by any means exclusively an Internet issue. The topic
>     is Surveillance governance, covering all forms of telecommunications
>     (and for that matter, surveillance of paper correspondence to the
>     extent that it still exists).
>
>     The link with the issues commonly described as Internet governance
>     is fairly weak; the link with Internet security and privacy technology
>     is strong, of course.
>
>        Brian
>
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