[discuss] Transiting e-mails

[Michel Gauthier]

At 00:05 08/01/2014, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>Michel, it isn't a question of caring or not caring. The issue is
>technical: the Internet is a datagram network, not a circuit-switched
>network, and in a datagram network the sender has no control over the
>path taken by the packet, which is determined dynamically inside the
>network.

Brian,
I am sorry: this is a not an adequate response.

1. the question is: how users can specify their needs and get their 
interests represented and defended? There is no consumer organization 
in the IG nor on /1net.

2. this question is illustrated by a vital case with a double 
suggestion for a solution:
     - the first suggestion calls for a more advanced routing management
     - the second suggestion calls for a modification of the packets 
that could be used to support in international cyberwar convention.

If something which is needed by users is not technically possible in 
the current status of a technology, it is up to ist designers to work 
out a technical solution. As a user I am not interested in your best 
effort but in the delliverable. If it turns out that the technical 
community does not know how to deliver, or does not bother, an 
alternative must be seeked in calling on competition. This is what 
the lack of interest in the users' demands by the IAB leads to.

Users wants a solution to be protected from private/public NSAs' 
surveillance. You say that the IAB/IETF cannot do it (while others 
say otherwise). Users therefore want an alternative proposition. This 
is why their Govs first look at the ITU. The US oppose. Then they to 
their own national R&D capacities. The users also ask FLOSS 
architects and designers. The I*people do not own the bandwidth: the 
users pay for it.

This is why the question is: will the balkanization of the internet 
result from the IAB governance? If people do not trust the internet 
anymore it is because they trust the NSA, as being fully able to make 
it insecure. Why is the NSA able to do it so easily? Whose fault? The 
internet is broken, who can fix it? What is the cost? If the fault is 
with the IAB governance, can we trust the IAB governance to fix it?

I do not know what Sao Paulo will really be about. Someone asked 
today: will Sao Paulo find plumbers for the Internet, outside of the 
Watergate ones? I think this is the whole question everyone has.

I am sorry to be tought and thought provoking. But we need 
constructive answers, now: because alternative R&D and transition 
call for time.. We (the world) need to know if there is some able 
skippers in the cockpit, or if they just do not have the answers 
because it is too complicate.

MG