[discuss] [bestbits] Fwd: Heads up on Brazil meeting preparation

Wed Jan 8 15:07:14 UTC 2014

Superb, and true.
Louis
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On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global
Journal <jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net> wrote:

> Indeed, indeed, Parminder!
>
>
> The 1net idea was brought to a I-stars meeting after the NSA scandal and
> the 'trust' crisis/issue over the current asymmetric domination. 1net is an
> ICANN idea and since then has been pushed by ICANN. It is amusing to note
> that thanks to the Montevideo statement, the existence of these meetings
> has now become a public information - a very-behind-close-doors-meetings!!
> The I-stars meetings were not publicized before the NSA scandal pressures
> the I-stars. "We didn't want to attract attention!! apologized the 11 CEOs
> part of the I-stars, all them putting their signature at the bottom line of
> the Montevideo statement ( in reaction to the crisis!). They survived WCIT
> but not Snowden.
>
> Lynn Saint Amour, ISOC CEO in 2013, admitted in a recorded meeting during
> last ICANN 48 that she and other I-stars CEOs were first reluctant to the
> 1net idea. Would 1net be a competitor to ISOC and its chapters if you only
> think of ISOC's view of 1net? Other reasons were discussed.
>
> It is crystal clear to any political advisor with some experience that
> 1net is a political extravaganza set to bring some sort of legitimacy to
> ICANN and its plan to bake an international dressing and menu, in order to
> keep as much as possible the asymmetry acceptable. It is also a bright move
> to try to bring back as many civil society voices under a I-stars
> overview/control. But some elements of the international civil society are
> not governable from the US, (when they exist and wherever they are
> located). 1net has also a dilution effect over the IGF, which is still a UN
> 'thing'. 1net would take away from the IGF some of its relevance - even
> though one can admit that the IGF was stalling. The bestbit, the 1net, the
> High Level Panel by the ICANN... all of that converge to take the IGF down
> to a not-able venue - We the French have made a word with the not-able, *les
> notables*, the ones having the impression that they are the important
> guys around. No one better than a *notable* can keep a status quo safe.
> *Notables* are usually conservatives (of their status and advantages) by
> nature. A little bit like the I-stars and their *aficionados*.
>
> ISOC could have been the natural 1net but is too much of a US entity, even
> though it has offices around the world. The 1net idea is to shift civil
> society and other Internet actors under an ICANN umbrella, an umbrella
> being revamped as some sort of International organization (IO). Even though
> it would be a fake IO, this new ICANN would be an embarrassment to any
> initiative coming from or endorsed by a multilateral, or international law
> related, oriented body.
>
> The I-stars are defending themselves from trying to lower the IGF
> capacity. They have recently stated that, indeed, IGF deserves more funds,
> and that the I-stars should think about  giving to the IGF. This UN-WSIS
> venue is today functioning with a miserable budget, even in comparison to
> the ICANN communication budget, or the ISOC large revenues thank to PIR and
> its selling of domains with .net, .org.... With such a poor financial
> condition, the IGF has to turn to sometime evil government willing to show
> some good face on the occasion by hosting the IGF meeting. Azerbaijan and
> others have been financially correct and grata. After all, isn't it fair to
> associate the UN with rogue states looking for friends. And make sure that
> everyone confuses the UN with them.
>
> Nothing could be more effective than providing notables with some more $
> as they enjoy could table, and days of peace in remote location whether in
> California, Bali or Argentina to meet, discuss and blunder. We all remember
> that a few notables agreed to be paid for their personal views over IG when
> attending the London High level panel meeting set by the ICANN few weeks
> ago. What was the budget on this one? 50 guests... Maybe the IGF would be
> happy to get this money to investigate more about the financial practice
> over inter-connected networks and data carriers, providers and miners. Or
> launch an honest survey of ideas to improve IG practice.
>
> So, will the ICANN-1net plan work out? Will it be said: "*Tout va bien
> madame la marquise*"?
>
> It is not hard to imagine that this will bring legitimate reactions from
> many 'stakeholders'. Outside of 1net. Outside of ICANN et al.
>
> Brazil might already have lost its 'time'. Brazil and others.
>
> Enough will soon be enough
>
> JC
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> Jean-Christophe Nothias
> jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net
>  @jc_nothias
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>
>
> Le 8 janv. 2014 à 13:26, parminder a écrit :
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>
> On Wednesday 08 January 2014 05:34 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>
>  On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Louis Pouzin (well) <pouzin at well.com>wrote:
>
>>  It's crystal clear in the beginning of Adiel's report. The meeting was
>> between LOG and ICANN.
>>
>>   Hmm....i think that may need to be reworded Louis as i don't think
> 1NET=ICANN  but my understanding is that 1NET=Various Stakeholders
> (including ICANN). So i expect the meeting was between LOG and 1NET
>
>
> I remember John Curran, who was at the Monte Video meeting where 1Net idea
> arose, saying quite recently on this list something to the effect that 1Net
> is yet just an e- discussion space, and it can become what its steering
> committee (which hasnt met yet) may want it to become...
>
> I havent seen simple e-lists being suddenly invited to co-own and co-shape
> global meetings. Have you? Does it not appear strange. And for getting such
> an invitation to come into the centre of Brazil meeting hosting space, one
> has to really push hard, and have a lot of power. (I know also because some
> well established civil society groups tried - together - to enter this
> 'hosting space' and got no response.).. These are power games... 1Net
> itself is hardly in a position to do the pushing... So whoever has the
> power and is using it to come to the centre of Brazil meeting hosting space
> is 1Net at the moment. Follows logically, whether we like it or not.
>
> parminder
>
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