[discuss] [bestbits] Fwd: Heads up on Brazil meeting preparation

Wed Jan 8 21:46:21 UTC 2014

Nice conspiracy theory.  While we're at it, who do you think really shot President Kennedy?

I'm sure there are some in the Department of Commerce and the NTIA who wish that ICANN was under the "direct mandate" (and implied influence/ability to manipulate) that you postulate.  It's just not the case.  And that view does not come from naïveté.  Commerce can't even control US government internet policy or ICANN activities, much less ICANN itself.  Trying to draw a link from Commerce to 1net via ICANN is absurd.  And then going from there to putting I* "under the same umbrella" borders on paranoid delusion.  You are, of course, entitled to your world-view.  I can go around the Internet and find those who believe that the Trilateral Commission, the Illuminati, the Elders of Zion, the High Cabal, the Elite or the New World Order control everything.  I'm sure they are all firm in their beliefs and can string together sane-sounding "factual" statements (e.g., "The United Nations is an instrument of the Elite designed to facilitate the setting up of One World Government under Elite control. The UN building stands on Rockefeller property.").  After due consideration, I choose not to believe them and I'm fairly confident that I've made the right choice.  I'll do the same here.

Since you do assert (or rather imply) one "fact" in an otherwise fact-free argument, I'd like to understand it.  When you say "IETF has a NSA employee at his board"  what person, what board, what position and what organization are you referring to?

Thank you.

Best regards,

Greg Shatan

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Subject: Re: [discuss] [bestbits] Fwd: Heads up on Brazil meeting preparation

ICANN/IANA are. And therefore everything that comes under ICANN's patronage and funding (1net...) has an obvious link to DoT. That makes quite a grouping. It would be naive not to put the I* under the same umbrella. IETF has a NSA employee at his board.

Le 8 janv. 2014 à 20:43, Shatan, Gregory S. a écrit :

I'm confused.  What "grouping" are you stating is under a "direct mandate" of the "US trade department"?

Greg Shatan

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Subject: Re: [discuss] [bestbits] Fwd: Heads up on Brazil meeting preparation

John,

My report is based upon Lynn Saint Amour statements. It does not come out of personal considerations. The out of the public view is a reality you cannot deny.

Given the nature of the Internet, (no one owns the Internet, and all that bla-bla), it is amusing to finally come to a point where we suddenly have a grouping coordinating ... under the I* naming, appearing to be the governing board, under a direct mandate of the US trade department, and with the financial support of the major players. These meetings should have been publicized much more. And indeed, then, it is no surprise to have this coordination existing.

JC

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Le 8 janv. 2014 à 19:08, John Curran a écrit :

On Jan 8, 2014, at 6:14 AM, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal <jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net<mailto:jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net>> wrote:
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It is amusing to note that thanks to the Montevideo statement, the existence of these meetings has now become a public information - a very-behind-close-doors-meetings!! The I-stars meetings were not publicized before the NSA scandal pressures the I-stars.

Jean-Christophe -

Your statement above is incorrect - the I* coordination meetings of the past have been
generally mundane events, but still reported by each participant as they see fit, e.g. -

>From <http://www.iab.org/documents/minutes/minutes-2011/iab-minutes-2011-11-30/>
6. Report from the I* Leaders Meeting

Bernard, Russ and Olaf attended a meeting of I* leadership in Miami on 29-30 November 2011. The meeting included participants from RIRs, ICANN, ISOC, and the W3C. Discussion topics included interactions with governments and the IANA RFP.

From: <http://www.nro.net/wp-content/uploads/nro-at-apnic-33.pdf>
* NRO workshop in 3-8 February, Miami, Florida - Hosted by ARIN
- Concurrent with ICANN/IANA distribution of last 5 /8s
- Met with ICANN, ISOC, IAB & IETF (I*) Executives

etc.

Given the nature of the Internet, it shouldn't surprise anyone that the various Internet organizations
have to coordinate and it's often more efficient to do his together than via many one-on-one meetings.
Such coordination may not have have been "publicized" (as in press releases) but information about
their existence of such meetings of the various I* leaders was certainly in the public as noted above,
and this was well before the Montevideo Statement on the Future of Internet Cooperation.

FYI,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN

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