[discuss] [bestbits] Fwd: Heads up on Brazil meeting preparation

Milton L Mueller mueller at syr.edu
Thu Jan 9 15:19:12 UTC 2014

You are confusing people by using inaccurate labels.

There is no "Department of Trade" in the US, there is a Department of Commerce, and although translating "Commerce" into French may be the same general meaning as "Trade," American readers will get confused if you switch the terms.

Same accuracy problem with your reference to the IETF Board. I do not know what the IETF Board is, do you mean the IAB? Or the ISOC Board of Trustees? What is the name of the NSA employee you are referring to?

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Subject: Re: [discuss] [bestbits] Fwd: Heads up on Brazil meeting preparation

ICANN/IANA are. And therefore everything that comes under ICANN's patronage and funding (1net...) has an obvious link to DoT. That makes quite a grouping. It would be naive not to put the I* under the same umbrella. IETF has a NSA employee at his board.

Le 8 janv. 2014 à 20:43, Shatan, Gregory S. a écrit :

I'm confused.  What "grouping" are you stating is under a "direct mandate" of the "US trade department"?

Greg Shatan

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Subject: Re: [discuss] [bestbits] Fwd: Heads up on Brazil meeting preparation


My report is based upon Lynn Saint Amour statements. It does not come out of personal considerations. The out of the public view is a reality you cannot deny.

Given the nature of the Internet, (no one owns the Internet, and all that bla-bla), it is amusing to finally come to a point where we suddenly have a grouping coordinating ... under the I* naming, appearing to be the governing board, under a direct mandate of the US trade department, and with the financial support of the major players. These meetings should have been publicized much more. And indeed, then, it is no surprise to have this coordination existing.


Jean-Christophe Nothias
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Le 8 janv. 2014 à 19:08, John Curran a écrit :

On Jan 8, 2014, at 6:14 AM, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal <jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net<mailto:jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net>> wrote:
It is amusing to note that thanks to the Montevideo statement, the existence of these meetings has now become a public information - a very-behind-close-doors-meetings!! The I-stars meetings were not publicized before the NSA scandal pressures the I-stars.

Jean-Christophe -

Your statement above is incorrect - the I* coordination meetings of the past have been
generally mundane events, but still reported by each participant as they see fit, e.g. -

>From <http://www.iab.org/documents/minutes/minutes-2011/iab-minutes-2011-11-30/>
6. Report from the I* Leaders Meeting

Bernard, Russ and Olaf attended a meeting of I* leadership in Miami on 29-30 November 2011. The meeting included participants from RIRs, ICANN, ISOC, and the W3C. Discussion topics included interactions with governments and the IANA RFP.

From: <http://www.nro.net/wp-content/uploads/nro-at-apnic-33.pdf>
* NRO workshop in 3-8 February, Miami, Florida - Hosted by ARIN
- Concurrent with ICANN/IANA distribution of last 5 /8s
- Met with ICANN, ISOC, IAB & IETF (I*) Executives


Given the nature of the Internet, it shouldn't surprise anyone that the various Internet organizations
have to coordinate and it's often more efficient to do his together than via many one-on-one meetings.
Such coordination may not have have been "publicized" (as in press releases) but information about
their existence of such meetings of the various I* leaders was certainly in the public as noted above,
and this was well before the Montevideo Statement on the Future of Internet Cooperation.


John Curran
President and CEO

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