[discuss] [governance] ICANN and WEF (was: Re: [bestbits] Fwd: Heads up on Brazil meeting preparation)

Fri Jan 10 07:26:59 UTC 2014


Le 10 janv. 2014 à 02:25, George Sadowsky a écrit :

> Jon Postel died in a California Hospital in October 1998 from complications after heart surgery.  During this time period  ICANN was being established.  There was no connection between  the two events.
Every one knows about the heart surgery Georges. I made a comment on this directly to Jorge. You are misleading people when there is an obvious link between pre-ICANN and post-ICANN governances. Postel was part of that link and resisting the shift.
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> It is insulting to characterize Jon's exit as a "gentle move," although he was a gentle guy who was widely respected for the thought and work that he put into the creation and evolution of the early Internet.
Insulting Postel memory is clear to me : to deny his resistance to the USG takeover and his high concern about where IG was going to end. We have now a small taste of where it went since then.
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> Rod's accession to his WEF position and ICANN's interest in being present at the WEF are independent events.  Rod has no current connection with ICANN.  There is no conspiracy here.
Sure, sure! But have fun, and listen to what he said - by the way, I don't think RB gained any specific position at the WEF - I will check with the WEF. He appeared as a panelist on the Future of Internet Multistakeholder Governance. I also have to check the dates (ICANN48 and that WEF meeting were maybe conflicting on the same agenda slot)

Would you like to label this a conspiracy? As you wish. But again, certainly not in my eyes.
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> George Sadowsky
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> On Jan 9, 2014, at 6:58 PM, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal wrote:
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>> Thanks John,
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>> Le 10 janv. 2014 à 00:17, John Curran a écrit :
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>>> Jean-Christophe - 
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>>> Samsung Electronics is very likely to have paid for his travel and participation, given 
>>> his registration for the event and his being credited with speaking under such title.
>> I share your view on this.
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>>> References: http://www.weforum.org/global-agenda-councils/rod-beckstrom
>> Indeed there are some very good facts in that one!
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>>> <http://www.weforum.org/news/inequality-instability-and-weak-global-governance-lead-pessimism-leaders-warn> - 
>>> "Ensuring the future of the Internet and its open environment is another global priority that requires a cooperative approach, Rod A. Beckstrom, Chief Security Adviser at Samsung Electronics, USA, told participants."
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>> ICANN had announced that it would link to the WEF weeks before Beckstrom participated in Abu Dabhi. Could it be that the WEF (not Beckstrom) would take the risk to upset ICANN by giving the floor to Fadi's predecessor? The WEF is very precise and do not act without some solid reasons ($$). I'll get the facts about this.
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>>> Do not let the lack of this factual basis distract you from your otherwise amusing 
>>> theories connecting ICANN to yet another conspiracy.
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>> I see no conspiracy. I see a very political situation, and I see political reasoning and logic, specially since Dubai and Snowden, in the same manner I do not understand Jon Postel exit as a gentle move, or accidental move but a highly political decision and will. 
>> And do no mistake me : I give credit to professionals like Fadi et al that they know what is a good strategy and a good communication plan. Could it be that  the big challenge Fadi has over his shoulders be dealt on a daily basis, without a long term perspective? ICANN is playing its survival at the international level. And I have no reason to think that the State Department and a few other major players do not have a clear understanding of how Fadi wants to play the ball.
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>> That being said, all of that is directly related to what is (or is not) happening with the Brazilian/ICANN meeting.
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>> Night
>> JC
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>>> Thanks!
>>> /John
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>>> Disclaimer - My views alone.
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>>> On Jan 9, 2014, at 2:22 PM, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal <jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net> wrote:
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>>>> You are writing your own fiction here David... Beckstrom and 1net is a fruit of your imagination. The point is about Beckstrom, ICANN and the WEF. Very theatrical! 
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>>>> As an observer to the current situation, I was very interested to see and listen to Beckstrom as he was participating with other I* vets, in a panel during a recent WEF meeting in Abu Dhabi.
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>>>> A meeting to prepare the next Davos summit -remember the communication plan of ICANN? There he advocated, as a good little soldier, that the I* had the perfect understanding of governance under a multistakeholder model, linking it to the WEF which he described as the cutting edge of multistakeholder governance - and call the audience to save the world by saving the MS model, brought as the Holy Grail to the planet by the I stars and stripes. He made various statements, all of that putting a bit additional fluff to what is going on right now. This brings the ICANN dramaturgy and current campaign to new level of narcissism. Nothing more nothing less.
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>>>> What is happening right now is that we are slowly uncovering the way things are happening for IG, and the way the MS model allows people to fool other people, whoever each of them are. We do not govern, we coordinate. We do not have strategic thoughts, we give direction and let it be. We are the invisible hand (very well paid) that is truly protecting Internauts, as long as they pay gently for their access to the Net....
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>>>> Beckstrom says what he wants but it cannot be that he attended a WEF preparatory meeting without Fadi's 'go' on that, and, most importantly, having the WEF with a clear perspective of a big incoming check in their pocket at the end of January 2014. Sorry guys, Swiss fares! (how much will ICANN spend to be seen in Davos under the umbrella of the cutting edge of MS governance? Nothing to worry when one checks the 2014 ICANN budget. It's all there).
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>>>> Was it necessary for ICANN and its internationalization dressing to go to bed with the most out-dated global room service for leaders (in Davos), the most expensive concierge of global fluff consultancy. The WEF is so multistakeholder that these doing-all-we-can-for-a-better-world people are accepting tons of $ from the Russian and the Chinese with no hesitation (remember the villains in the Internet power grab fiction, the enemies of the Holy and Unified Internet). I work a few miles away from the WEF (left bank is UN and NGOs, right bank is WEF, bankers and lawyers here in Geneva) and if the WEF is the cutting edge of MS governance, then, apart from me being the Pope, this model won't survive very long. This is a big joke. Me in Pope I mean.
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