[discuss] Fwd: FW: [I-coordination] on "identifying principles"

Oliver Sueme oliver.sueme at eco.de
Mon Jan 13 12:18:27 UTC 2014

Von: Oliver Sueme <oliver.sueme at eco.de<mailto:oliver.sueme at eco.de>>
Datum: 13. Jänner 2014 13:05:28 MEZ
An: Matthias Langenegger <mlangenegger at ccianet.org<mailto:mlangenegger at ccianet.org>>
Betreff: Re: [discuss] FW: [I-coordination] on "identifying principles"

Matthias & all,

As EuroISPAs new president I'm of course very much in favor with this suggestion.

The guidelines are also reflecting the function of the ISPs regarding fundamental rights in the internet. I already stressed that ISPs have a key role in the current IG discussion and against the background of the montevideo statement.



Am 13.01.2014 um 12:33 schrieb "Matthias Langenegger" <mlangenegger at ccianet.org<mailto:mlangenegger at ccianet.org>>:

Dear All,

The Human Rights Guidelines for Internet Service Providers<http://www.coe.int/t/informationsociety/documents/HRguidelines_ISP_en.pdf>, developed by the Council of Europe and EuroISPA, the association of European ISPs, is another document that should be considered for our list of existing HR principles.

Although it dates from 2008, it is useful as it spells out specific recommendations for ISPs in line with the CoE human rights acquis as it applies to the Internet.


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 4:49 AM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com<mailto:gurstein at gmail.com>> wrote:
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Subject: RE: [I-coordination] on "identifying principles"

Carolina and all,

I am attaching a “Declaration of Principles” from the Community Informatics community “An Internet for the Common Good: Engagement, Empowerment, and Justice for All”.

An earlier version of this was accepted by consensus by the larger Community Informatics community<http://vancouvercommunity.net/lists/info/ciresearchers> (consisting of both the general email list and specialized lists for Canada<http://vancouvercommunity.net/lists/info/cracin-canada>, Southern Africa<http://vancouvercommunity.net/lists/info/ci-research-sa>, Older Persons,<http://vancouvercommunity.net/lists/info/ci-for-older-persons> and Indigenous peoples<mailto:ci-indigenous at lists.knet.ca> as well as the Editorial Board of the Journal of Community Informatics<http://ci-journal.net/index.php/ciej/about/editorialTeam>). The current version was produced by a team that included a leading ICT practitioner from Mozambique, a Director of a grassroots Community Informatics initiative in India working with rural women, a practitioner working with marginalized youth in the barrios of Chicago, a leading researcher in the use of ICTs by Indigenous Peoples, a former chair of the Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility and two members of the technical community with interests in the community based use of ICTs.

We expect a consensus agreement on this version within the next 48 hours along with endorsements.

While there is some overlap with the principles that you have documented from other sources we would ask that those that have not elsewhere been identified be added to your listings and including matters of how addressing matters concerning the distribution of benefits of the use ICTs and the Internet.

With best wishes,


From: i-coordination-bounces at nro.net<mailto:i-coordination-bounces at nro.net> [mailto:i-coordination-bounces at nro.net] On Behalf Of Carolina Rossini
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:28 AM
To: Nick Ashton-Hart
Cc: I-coordination at nro.net<mailto:I-coordination at nro.net>
Subject: [I-coordination] on "identifying principles"

here I attach some work that can serve as a background regarding the piece of debate around principles (see Bill and Nick below)
we classified everything out there we could find from every stakeholder
they are in different docs to make it easier to print

On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Nick Ashton-Hart <nashton at ccianet.org<mailto:nashton at ccianet.org>> wrote:
To Bill’s point in the first instance it would be useful to identify those principles that exist to date and their source and scope. Perhaps 1net could host a wiki environment or the like where those with knowledge of one or more could get a list together?

On 17 Dec 2013, at 18:34, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>> wrote:

Hi George
On Dec 17, 2013, at 6:24 PM, George Sadowsky <george.sadowsky at gmail.com<mailto:george.sadowsky at gmail.com>> wrote:


You say: "Do we really have nothing more important to be doing here at this point than redefining the wheel as just a round thingy?  I thought this list was supposed to be for coordination of multistakeholder dialogue on Sao Paulo and beyond, but it seems to alternate between being a troll paradise and the site of a lot of meandering debates on points that are generally being addressed more systematically elsewhere.  Or am I alone in this perception?"

I agree that we need to address points systematically.  Can you provide a list of systematic points (dare we call them issues?) that it would, in your view, be useful to discuss?

Well, why not start with the question of principles?  The initiators of the SP meeting have been saying from the outset they’d like to have a sort of multistakeholder declaration of principles.  Presumably it’d be helpful if 1net participants were to provide some input on this, and presumably we’d like it to be more than just nice fluffy words.  Why not discuss the range of options to make this a useful exercise, and see where there’s cross-stakeholder consensus and where there’s not?  It’s something concrete that needs to be done, and they want input by 1 March.



Carolina Rossini
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