[discuss] shifts in IANA/accountability discussion: your thoughts?

Fri Jun 13 05:23:50 UTC 2014

Dear Michel,

no, the right has never any cost. Only the material implementation of 
the conditions to realize the rights have a cost.

But we have to see clear, that all, what we need, and this in material 
form, needs our activity. I don't like to use the term "cost", because 
it have nothing to do with money.

For me, societies are very similar to other biological lifesystems. And 
all this systems have her transport systems. And for the animals, like 
humans, we have 2 transport system. Material and immaterial. For energy 
and materials the material system. For information the immaterial system.

This is my background. Our society need the transport system for her 
life. It is a instrument for interaction together. This is also the 
base, why i create the relation to the roads.

What is NTIA? jean-françois (JFC) spoke about. But never i accept any 
statement from any institution. We need our own criteria for what is 
right and what is wrong.

I am shure that the most people hate the social selection in using the 
communication system based on money. On the way to organize it locally 
it is very easy to make it free of any money-cost. Organized as a 
necessary service from the community and for the community.

The condition for that is only our position and relation to the community.

many greetings, willi
Jinotepe, Nicaragua

Am 12/06/2014 19:30, schrieb Michel S. Gauthier:
> Dear Willi,
>
> what you ask for is the internet as a human right. This right has a cost
> as every right has. States are to foot the costs of rights. This is why
> we pay taxes. The NTIA has stated  they did not want a state enhanced
> cooperation like for the roads.
>
> Are you asking that in exchange of controlling the Internet through
> ICANN, the USG uses ICANN as a channel for financing a "global internet
> human right" for free?
>
> M S G.
>
>
> At 22:56 12/06/2014, willi uebelherr wrote:
>
>> Dear Michele and Jordan, dear friends,
>>
>> i think, NetMundial with 1net.org, MSis'm, public discussions about
>> "Internet Governance" is a big joke, a big theater. What you want to
>> discuss with people from IANA, ICANN, IETF, NetMundial and so on? That
>> you want to be part in the definition processes?
>>
>> No, all representative structures are installed as a theater, a show.
>> No more.
>>
>> No, we have to discuss about our own ideas for a free and neutral
>> transportsytem for data packets all over our planet. This can be
>> helpful for us to open our views and thinking. never we get any
>> result, without frustration, if we ask any organisation to go on this
>> way.
>>
>> And, we have another point. This transportsystem have to be free in
>> using and free in money-cost for all people in our small world. And
>> this is the break point, because all memberorganisation in this area
>> have a clear interest in the financial transfers, in the business.
>>
>> I hope, on this list are people with the responibility for a free
>> communication system for all people in our world. This and only this
>> is the condition to start the search process for a real Inter-Net.
>>
>> many greetings, willi
>> Jinotepe, Nicaragua
>>
>>
>> Am 12/06/2014 05:01, schrieb Michele Neylon - Blacknight:
>>> Jordan
>>>
>>> I suspect quite a few of us only check this list from time to time.
>>> The previous volumes of email were impossible to keep up with.
>>>
>>> On ICANN accountability - there appears to be some movement, but how
>>> it all pans out remains to be seen.
>>>
>>> IANA transition - I assume you've seen the latest updates from ICANN
>>> with the suggested makeup of the "panel" (or whatever they're calling
>>> it)
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Michele
>>>
>>>
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>>> From: discuss-bounces at 1net.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at 1net.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Jordan Carter
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 11:12 AM
>>> To: discuss at 1net.org
>>> Subject: [discuss] shifts in IANA/accountability discussion: your
>>> thoughts?
>>>
>>> Is this list still active?
>>>
>>> How are people feeling in the lead up to ICANN London about the
>>> responses of the organisation on the IANA transition process and the
>>> initial paper on ICANN accountability?
>>>
>>> I think there have been some steps forward in terms of acknowledging
>>> feedback and changing the process in response, but more to be done
>>> esp in linking the two processes together, if I had to sum it up in a
>>> sentence.
>>>
>>> What do others think?
>>>
>>> bests,
>>> Jordan
>>>
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