[discuss] shifts in IANA/accountability discussion: your thoughts?
joseph.alhadeff at oracle.com
Sat Jun 21 09:09:39 UTC 2014
What locale do you live in that is free from politicians and lawyers and what infrastructure are you benefitting from to gain access to data or communication that doesn't come at a cost? We can have philosophical arguments about the social contract or questions about what we may consider to be unalienable rights, but that does not make the reality that infrastructure has costs any less true... A government that wishes to assure citizens access to a resource may do so as a part of the social contract, but that would mean that they would underwrite the cost... Otherwise how does access occur? A service that doesn't charge the end user may recoup costs in showing adds, gathering information or developing customer loyalty. I think we would all agree that those are just costs of a different nature...
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> On Jun 20, 2014, at 5:53 PM, "Michel S. Gauthier" <mg at telepresse.com> wrote:
> At 22:58 20/06/2014, Shatan, Gregory S. wrote:
>> I take the subway -- costs about $120.00/month. No free ride here. As for what I pay to live -- rent, food, clothing, medical insurance, etc. -- it adds up. As for free speech and the air I breathe (far cleaner than it was 20 years ago, for regulatory and technological reasons), I pay a lot in city, state and federal taxes. If I were somewhere else, maybe I wouldn't be paying those taxes, but I might not have free speech or reasonably clean air.
>> Maybe there is a model where end-users pays nothing for internet access (and nothing for a device with which to access it?). I haven't heard anything coherent about what that model might be. All we've heard is what it isn't. When the idea was floated that it would be paid for by the government (i.e., by taxes on the end-users), we were told that wasn't the idea. I'm still waiting for an explanation of "free" internet. Until I hear otherwise, I will put "free" internet in a class with perpetual motion machines and alchemy.
>> The last sentence is just a string of falsehoods and invective -- no need to reply to that.
> I am sorry that you understood it that way.
> 1. First, the model you describe is a model for the rich ($ 120.00/month to get a by-pass and not walking or paying your car on a free road). Two, I just talked of life itself which is a human right.
> You perfectly know that the question is between
> on the offer side:
> - a universal service for all (US consensus until 1978),
> - competition since 1978 and
> - innovation and trust now ,
> on the demand side:
> - equal for all .
> 2. The NTIA->ICANN transfer is a transfer of the same internet from politicians (US Executive) to Lawyers (US Legislative). This does not interest people who are interested in a ***better*** internet. And a better internet is an US free internet. Not because they want to get rid of the US, but because they want to get rid of the US lawyer+money culture. A free internet has no contract, no special regulation. No artificial barriers to innovation, no artificial negotiable barriers to innovation.
> Sorry, since you are a lawyer, but people are not interested in all what is discussed in here. They just want to get it cared by the taxes they pay for it. When they say they want it for free, it only means that they feel they pay twice.
> Just explaining.
> M S G
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michel S. Gauthier [mailto:mg at telepresse.com]
>> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 4:44 PM
>> To: Shatan, Gregory S.; 'Andrew Sullivan'; discuss at 1net.org
>> Subject: Re: [discuss] shifts in IANA/accountability discussion: your thoughts?
>> what do you really talk about? Can you please tell us how many turnpikes you pay from home to office?. How much do you pay for free speech? How much do you pay for the air you breadth? How much do you pay to live?
>> The internet access is to be accepted as a human right. Some time ago Vint Cerf published an RFC "The internet is for everyone" - he did not say "for everyone who pays". More simply Gene Gaines says "the internet is everyone".
>> How many years do you think "your" internet for the rich complicate model, hijacked by ICANN, and money making lawyers employers, will survive in front of the people's technically meshed digitalities?
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