[discuss] configuration of the maillist server from 1net.org

Sat Jun 21 16:16:51 UTC 2014

Dear friends,

in the Mailman admin documentation i found this text:

http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/I+use+Gmail-Googlemail%2C+but+I+can%27t+tell+if+any+of+my+messages+have+been+posted+to+the+list

2.8. Help! I use Gmail/Googlemail, but I can't tell if any of my 
messages have been posted to the list!

Q: I use Gmail/Googlemail, but when I send a message to a list that I am 
subscribed to, but I never get a copy back.

A: There is a problem with gmail/googlemail - when you send a message to 
a mailing list, any mailing list, gmail doesn't show you your own 
message as it comes back from the list. Everybody else sees it, even 
other gmail users, but not you. And replies to your message will be 
threaded with your post as you sent it, not as it came back (ie without 
list headers, subject tags or footers). This is a "feature" of gmail, 
and there is nothing you or the list administrator can do about it.

For Google's explanation of this, see 
<http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6588>.

Note that the Google explanation appears to say that your message from 
the list will be archived in "All Mail", but this is not correct. The 
only message in "All Mail" is your original message from "Sent". The 
actual message from the list with all headers and the list's footer and 
header if any is apparently not saved anywhere by Google.

If your list has archives that you can check, you can at least see 
whether or not your message got posted to the list. You can also set 
your Mailman option "Receive acknowledgement mail when you send mail to 
the list?" to Yes. Beyond that, unfortunately there is nothing else we 
can do to help you.

in the Google help i found:

https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6588

Not receiving email from groups
When you send mail to any group or mailing list you subscribe to, Gmail 
automatically skips your inbox and archives the message to save you time 
and prevent clutter. The message will appear in your inbox if someone 
responds to it or if there is an error delivering the message. If you'd 
like to view your message, you can find it in Sent Mail or All Mail.

I don't know the history of this stupid filtering from Google. Maybe, 
they use the message-id. It is a helpful information for thread ordering 
of mails.

With this information now i understand the wrong situation with the 
mailman lists like 1net.org. It is a problem of my google-account and 
have nothing to do with the mailman-server from www.1net.org or 
www.nro.net. It is a very good example of non-neutrality in the internet.

If any people have an idea for a bypass or workaround, it would be very 
great.

Please excuse my accusations.

many greetings, willi
Panama City

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Betreff: Re: [discuss] configuration of the maillist server from 1net.org
Datum: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 12:29:19 -0500
Von: willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at gmail.com>
An: 1net discuss <discuss at 1net.org>
Kopie (CC): 1net discuss owner <discuss-owner at 1net.org>,  1net discuss 
admin <german at nro.net>, 1net secretariat <secretariat at nro.net>

Dear friends,

I can only repeat my regularly request to the admin group of 1Net mail 
list. With that, maybe, we understand more and more the bureaucratic and 
arrogant condition on this list.

The technical questions are simpel. But to correct the situation you 
need the access to the list server configuration.

many greetings, willi
Panama City

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Betreff: Re: [discuss] configuration of the maillist server from 1net.org
Datum: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 15:25:07 -0600
Von: willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at gmail.com>
An: 1net discuss <discuss at 1net.org>
Kopie (CC): 1net discuss owner <discuss-owner at 1net.org>,  1net discuss 
admin <german at nro.net>, 1net secretariat <secretariat at nro.net>

Dear friends,

i my last mail i wrote on the end:
"I hope now, we can read an answer."

But nothing come. If the people of the admin-group on this have
technical problems, they can ask in this list. I am shure, there are
people with experience and knowledge.

But to ignore the questions, then it is a very different kind of behavior.

I repeat my question from my first mail in this thread:
"
Dear friends of the moderation group,
what i have to do that i receive mails from the list with my address in
To or CC? And that i receive the mails i have send to the list?
my configuration:
Receive your own posts to the list?  YES
Avoid duplicate copies of messages?  NO"

An easy question.

In my second mail in this thread i wrote:
"
now the second point is working:
Avoid duplicate copies of messages?  NO
But not the first:
Receive your own posts to the list?  YES"

Never i think, that the admin-people don't read mail from the list and
from the mailbox discuss-owner at 1net.org.

Now i send this mail also to:
secretariat at nro.net and german at nro.net. I don't know, what is nro.net.
But in the config page of the mailman listinfo you can find this mail
address.

Now, i hope, we/i get some answers.

many greetings, willi
Jinotepe, Nicaragua

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Betreff: Re: [discuss] configuration of the maillist server from
1net.org, etc.
Datum: Wed, 04 Jun 2014 09:54:39 -0600
Von: willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at gmail.com>
An: 1net discuss <discuss at 1net.org>,  1net discuss owner
<discuss-owner at 1net.org>

Dear friends,

i have clearly demonstrated that the administration of the mail list has
a fundamental error. But never i can read an answer from the admin group 
of this list.

Is that arrogance or ignorance of the power? Here on the mailling list
of www.1net.org? Have this group the same attitudes like FCC, ICANN,
IANA and all other? Self-constracted importance on a baseless existence?

I don't see any big technical problem. You have to read the manual of
mailman. Normally only one time in your life. Then, maybe, you
understand the principles and search in the master configuration. For
normal people it is easy to do, if and only if they want to do.

I hope now, we can read an answer.

many greetings, willi
Jinotepe, Nicaragua

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Betreff: configuration of the maillist server from 1net.org
Datum: Thu, 22 May 2014 09:18:18 -0600
Von: willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at gmail.com>
An: 1net discuss <discuss at 1net.org>
Kopie (CC): 1net discuss owner <discuss-owner at 1net.org>,  1net mailman
owner <mailman-owner at 1net.org>

Dear friends,

my attempts to come into a discussion with the admin-group of this list
was not successful.

The problem. In my configuration:
Receive your own posts to the list?  YES
Avoid duplicate copies of messages?  NO

But never i get the mail from the listserver, that i send. And now,
never i get the mail from the listserver with my address in TO or CC.
So, what i have to do?

many greetings, willi
Jinotepe, Nicaragua

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Betreff: Fwd: Re: configuration
Datum: Thu, 15 May 2014 21:52:51 -0600
Von: willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at gmail.com>
An: 1net discuss owner <discuss-owner at 1net.org>

Dear friends,

i am waiting for any answer. But, maybe, the mail address was wrong.
Therefore i resend my question.

Never i get my own message from the list. The option:

Receive your own posts to the list?  YES

But it is not working. For an answer i would be very thankful.

many greetings, willi uebelherr
Jinotepe, Nicaragua

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Betreff: Re: configuration
Datum: Mon, 05 May 2014 12:42:16 -0600
Von: willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at gmail.com>
An: 1net owner <mailman-owner at 1net.org>

Dear friends,

now the second point is working:
Avoid duplicate copies of messages?  NO

But not the first:
Receive your own posts to the list?  YES

And, please, write me, what change in your server configuration you have
to make. I am member on different lists with the same problem. Then i
can send your information to the other admin groups.

with thanks and many greetings, willi uebelherr
Quetzaltenango, Guatemala

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Betreff: configuration
Datum: Sun, 04 May 2014 18:09:27 -0600
Von: willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at gmail.com>
An: 1net owner <mailman-owner at 1net.org>

Dear friends of the moderation group,

what i have to do that i receive mails from the list with my address in
To or CC? And that i receive the mails i have send to the list?

my configuration:
Receive your own posts to the list?  YES
Avoid duplicate copies of messages?  NO

many greetings, willi uebelherr
Quetzaltenango, Guatemala