[discuss] [/1net Forums] Forum Activity for 03-04-2014

Tue Mar 4 17:57:15 UTC 2014

George +1

Erika

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 5:54 PM, nathalie coupet <nathaliecoupet at yahoo.com>wrote:

> +1 to George
>
> I don't understand why this even happened. Could the SG answer George's
> concerns?
>
> Nathalie
>
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* George Sadowsky <george.sadowsky at gmail.com>
> *To:* nathalie coupet <nathaliecoupet at yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 4, 2014 12:47 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [discuss] [/1net Forums] Forum Activity for 03-04-2014
>
> Nathalie,
>
> You set this to me, but I don't see a copy  going to 1net discuss.
>
> George
>
>
> On Mar 4, 2014, at 12:27 PM, nathalie coupet <nathaliecoupet at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> +1 to George
>
> I don't understand why this even happened. Could the SG answer George's
> concerns?
>
> Nathalie
>
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* George Sadowsky <george.sadowsky at gmail.com>
> *To:* /1net Forums digest <info at 1net.org>
> *Cc:* discuss at 1net.org
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 4, 2014 11:40 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [discuss] [/1net Forums] Forum Activity for 03-04-2014
>
> All,
>
> This is a complete surprise.
>
> First, unless I have amnesia or been asleep during the past week, this is
> NOT a summary  of discussions in this Forum.
>
> Second, please point to evidence of a common feeling that 1net should
> provide formal input to NetMundial, or to any of the foundation documents
> for this list that suggest such an outcome.
>
> Third, who are the "we " referred to in the text below.  This is an
> anonymous document claiming a distinct turn in the conduct of this form
> which I claim does not exist.  Who are you?
>
> Fourth, it encourages convergence on a statement across all participants,
> from multiple sectors, within the next 4 days.  This is an impossible task,
> even if it were the right thing to do.  (We've been trying to do this for
> years.)  It will be a motherhood document, a 'lower that the lowest
> possible common denominator' document.  It will prove that 1net exists, but
> not a lot more.
>
> Fifth, I thought that the purpose of this list was NOT to reach any kind
> of forced agreement in a short time frame.  I thought that: (1) is was
> meant to discuss Internet governance issues, and if possible (2) inform
> NetMundial with a range of opinions and possible assistance.
>
> Sixth, a stated goal seems to be what to "put forward to the NetMundial
> meeting as representative of /1net's view."  I didn't know that 1net had to
> have a point of view.  We have had discussions, some fruitful, some in the
> realm of science fiction, and there have been some discussions that have
> provided decent and interesting material for 1net.
>
> Seventh, whoever is proposing this is suggesting that a survey, announced
> by e-mail 16 hours before its close (!!) to the '1net community," a list of
> 600-1000 members, maybe 40-50 of who have actually participated in this
> list, is going to provide any useful information whatsoever?  Even if this
> were a worthwhile captivity, which it is not, such a process could not be
> expected to yield any meaningful result.
>
> Eighth, the expectation that "the statement should be viewed as the broad
> perspective on Internet governance issues from the /1net community,"  is
> unrealistic. Rather it is high likely to be a significant misrepresentation
> of what the opinions of the community are, given the faulty process and the
> tight time frame of the proposal.  Those who are rabid in their opinions
> will participate.
>
> In summary:
>
> - this is a bad idea
>
> - it states that the "community enjoyed" a discussion that I believe never
> really happened
>
> - it is based on a feeling that we should provide formal input that AFAIK
> was not felt
>
> - it specifies a tight deadline for a previously unannounced objective
>
> - it significantly distorts the stated purpose of the 1net list
>
> - it will yield results of little value; the sample frame will consist of
> those who (1) read their e-mail promptly (2) have the time to respond (3)
>
> - it has been imposed from an anonymous "above"
>
> Perhaps the anonymous "we" can respond to the above points.
>
> George
>
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>
> On Mar 4, 2014, at 1:32 AM, /1net Forums digest <info at 1net.org> wrote:
>
>
> <http://mandrillapp.com/track/click.php?u=30143381&id=db94d9ea201149868230d2317299c105&url=http%3A%2F%2F1net.org&url_id=275d5ac348d8e2b8f87a20b50afccf20d2903a07> Here's
> a brief summary of the discussion on /1net Forums<http://mandrillapp.com/track/click.php?u=30143381&id=db94d9ea201149868230d2317299c105&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.1net.org&url_id=f27f10722599be5b646cf36e5b1b1281abf95932>since we last saw you on 02-28-2014. Recent
> posts the community enjoyed: Help to create a /1net statement for
> NetMundial<http://mandrillapp.com/track/click.php?u=30143381&id=db94d9ea201149868230d2317299c105&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.1net.org%2Ft%2Fhelp-to-create-a-1net-statement-for-netmundial%2F128&url_id=7f9d7eba43d43b5f3d70a8183e7511214e546870>
> Based on the feeling and importance that /1net should provide some kind of
> formal input to the NetMundial meeting in April, we have specifically
> developed a statement and process to meet the tight deadline for submitting
> input (Saturday 8 March).
> The statement is built from the Montevideo Statement, and split up into
> the two themes of the NetMundial meeting. There shouldn't be anything in
> this statement that is controversial or surprising if you have been
> following Internet governance discussions over the past four months.
> A few quick things to note:
>
>    - Having a /1net statement should not in any way preclude people from
>    sending their own input to the NetMundial meeting
>    - The statement should be viewed as the broad perspective on Internet
>    governance issues from the /1net community. There is plenty of opportunity
>    for more in-depth discussions outside this singular event
>    - Given the tight deadline, we should as much as possible avoid
>    suggestions that others will disagree with
>
> Process of converging on the content of the statement:
>
>    - An online survey gives everyone the opportunity to review each
>    sentence within the draft statement. You can simply agree with it
>    (obviously the preferred response), you can "Agree but..." and provide some
>    brief feedback, or you can disagree and explain why you feel would need to
>    change to the wording in order for you to agree.
>    - That survey will run from now until the end of Tuesday (23:45 UTC),
>    at which point it will close.
>    - The results from the survey will be analyzed to see what changes
>    could be made to accommodate different views - and statistics
>    released to show what the feedback was (comments will be published
>    but not attributed).
>    - On Thursday, a reformed statement will be put to a second survey sent
>    to Steering Committee members who will act as representatives of
>    their stakeholder groups in deciding yes or no to specific
>    statements.
>    - That survey will close Friday and /1net coordinator Adiel Akplogan
>    will review the results and decide what can be put forward to the
>    NetMundial meeting as representative of /1net's view.
>
> It is far more rushed than is ideal but given the fact that there is only
> this week to reach agreement, hopefully you will all see the value in
> responding quickly and constructively.
> You can find the survey and the statements at:
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/1net-netmundial<http://mandrillapp.com/track/click.php?u=30143381&id=db94d9ea201149868230d2317299c105&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surveymonkey.com%2Fs%2F1net-netmundial&url_id=5195d73724c12c9451ce6b05827bfb08d6a1c425>
> Please note that the survey will automatically close at 23.45 UTC on
> Tuesday 4 March.
> Thank you for your input in advance.
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