[discuss] cross-border issues in the Internet identifier registry system

Ken Stubbs kstubbs at afilias.info
Mon Mar 17 19:10:04 UTC 2014

Please read Becky Burr's post of 16 march

We are at risk of turning this whole thing into  large "fluffy" being so 
convoluted nothing
concrete will ever get accomplished.

Ken Stubbs

On 3/17/2014 2:42 PM, John Curran wrote:
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 2:21 PM, Pranesh Prakash <pranesh at cis-india.org> wrote:
>> The question is: how has USG oversight prevented this?
>> In fact, the USG has used the fact that Verisign falls under US jurisdiction to "seize" hundreds of domain names, making them inaccessible not only in the US but throughout the world.  Did Verisign or ICANN protest?
>> Verizon, instead of protesting this being made into law through COICA, asked for "a limit on the number of domain-name seizures the DOJ could ask for before ISPs are paid for the cost of compliance".
> Pranesh -
>    I acknowledge your point, but that is not "USG oversight of the IANA function";
>    it is other USG actions (not even Dept of Commerce related from what I can tell)
>    Now the question we have to ask is whether we're trying to address the situation
>    of 'IANA Oversight" in a post-NTIA world, or "entire Internet registry system
>    oversight" (including DNS registries, registrars, IP registries, etc.)  The latter
>    is an issue of much large scope, and while it may certainly is worth discussing,
>    it's hard to tell whether it should take precedence (given its complexity) over
>    developing a transition plan for NTIA's role with respect to the IANA operations.
>    One could argue that it is pointless to address oversight of the IANA operations
>    if the registry system itself is still subject to cross-border enforcement actions,
>    but cross-border enforcement actions against the entire DNS system globally, are
>    related to issues of sovereignty, and may not be something that can realistically
>    addressed in the near future.  Transitioning IANA oversight from NTIA looks to be
>    a task that is achievable in the immediate future; do you recommend we do not work
>    on it because of the cross-border issues that are presently happening throughout
>    the Internet identifier registry system?
> Thanks,
> /John
> Disclaimer: My views alone.
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