[discuss] surveillance governance, was Re: [governance] NTIA statement

Tue Mar 18 16:36:49 UTC 2014

Wolfgang,

but why would anyone need to go there? Your view seems to negate history.

Alejandro Pisanty

On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 10:23 AM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <
wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:

> Hi Alex,
> MIPOC would not be a "global authority for permission" but a (highly
> qualified multistakeholder) "service point" which helps to clarify what can
> be done with controversial issues. Something like the WGIG.
>
> wolfgang
>
> ________________________________
>
> Von: Alejandro Pisanty [mailto:apisanty at gmail.com]
> Gesendet: Di 18.03.2014 16:24
> An: Jeremy Malcolm
> Cc: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang; parminder; discuss at 1net.org
> Betreff: Re: [discuss] surveillance governance, was Re: [governance] NTIA
> statement
>
>
> Hi,
>
> that is not the way the Internet's successful multistakeholder governance
> mechanisms have emerged - no need to ask for a higher, central, global
> authority for permission. In fact, the pieces of it that exist had to be
> circumvented in order to get the Internet to expand. The top-down
> authorization echoes the delusion of One World Government and is the major
> flaw of the MIPOG idea.
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 7:22 AM, Jeremy Malcolm <Jeremy at malcolm.id.au>
> wrote:
>
>
>         On 18 Mar 2014, at 5:58 pm, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang <
> wolfgang.kleinwaechter at MEDIENKOMM.UNI-HALLE.DE> wrote:
>
>         > Mechanisms should emerge on the basis of concrete needs and
> identified gaps. The first thing you have to do is to define the issues
> which have no existing natural home. Many public policy related Internet
> issues have a natural home. There are about 50 governmental and
> non-governmental global organisations dealing with various Internet related
> issues: From UN bodies like the Human Rights Concil to the I*Organisations.
> To find out what the missing link is and where we have a gap (or a
> malfunction) we need first of all  something like a Multistakeholder
> Internet Governance Clearing House (I have called this MIPOG /
> Multistakeholder Internet Policy Group). If a stakeholder, including a
> national government, has a problem, it could go to MIPOG with a request and
> MIPOG would recommend how to move forward by delegating the request to an
> existing  mechanism or by launching a (multistakeholder) process in a
> bottom up, inclusive, open and transparent way to develop policies (as an
> RFC) which could, if needed, also include the launch of new
> multistakeholder mechanisms.
>
>         That is also essentially what the submission posted through Best
> Bits calls for:
>
>         http://bestbits.net/netmundial-roadmap/
>
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