[discuss] Republicans Uneasy About ICANN Decision, Schedule Hearing

Jefsey jefsey at jefsey.com
Thu Mar 20 02:23:55 UTC 2014

At 21:44 19/03/2014, Shatan, Gregory S. wrote:
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64Certainly, the ICANN "ROOT" now 
>also includes the IP addresses, but will it be enough to calm the TM lobby?
>FYI "IP" stands for "Internet Protocol," not "Intellectual Property." :-)

This is why we use IPR for intellectual property rights in the 
internet context to avoid confusion.

>Other than that, I'm not sure why you link this to the "TM lobby."

Understandable if you confuse with IPRs.

The reason why the inclusion of the IP address registry in the "DNS 
root" via the Afirmation of Commitment is that it is the only motive 
for a Judge to ultimately accept that the whole internet is not a 
personnal resource management (VGN) affair. IP allows individual 
people to interelate out of any private existing circle. They are 
therefore something which can be accepted as a civic system, subject 
to the law (provided that addresses are warrantied by State related 
national registries). In such a case it can be claimed that the use 
of a naming string is not a personal entry in a private system 
covered by privacy, but a pubic trade mark.

Again, one has to reivent everything if the NTIA removes itself (the 
same as the entire technology standardization process is to be 
reinvented after the IAB removed itself as the ultimate technical 
reference and source of guidance through the OpenStand/RFC 6852). And 
when I say everythng I mean it because all we have done up to now was 
to adjust the code's law to the US law, in the exceptional 
circumstance where the US Executive was making itself available to 
the multitude of non-US-citizens.

In the new situation we are to investigate/prepare, the laws (of 
every country, and in particular of the US which are at the core of 
the transition and want to protect their assets) must add to their 
people's national law a "code of the global interconnected multitude 
and of its environment" (the layer below international law: above the 
common people law). In that area we will have national multitudinal 
laws that may internationally conflict. This is the policracy we 
havee to explore, learn, and theorize.


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>Subject: Re: [discuss] Republicans Uneasy About ICANN Decision, 
>Schedule Hearing
>I quoted the immediate reaction of GOP, they obviously continue. 
>Your quote of the  FCC  Commissionner  is also interesting. If you 
>consider them carefully (as well as RFC 6852) you might have, like I 
>have, the distinctive feeling that the real issue is not so much the 
>decision about what to do, but that it has to be collective, so no 
>one can be made responsible of a failure.
>The decision is not that easy for the USG. They have managed an 
>incredible development for all, they are the leading beneficiary. 
>But they know this is partly a piece of luck, partly due to their 
>funding, partly to a fundamental enthusiasm of a little group of 
>people that may not renew or enlarge to the global diversity. The 
>real question is the one RFC 6852 starts with: the "huge bounty"
>resulting from the internet and the web. And (IMHO) of the missing 
>middle-layer between these two propositions: intelligence.
>What is worrying too, for everyone, is the NTIA lie: that the Class 
>IN topzone db.file is the core of the Internet. It is difficult to 
>know what will be the political response to the Class "IN" TopRep file.
>Certainly, the ICANN "ROOT" now also includes the IP addresses, but 
>will it be enough to calm the TM lobby? Will the Democrats be able 
>to show that the decisions were also Republican, that Richard 
>Clarke's doctrine was not applied by any side, that BGP is still as 
>vulnerable as before?
>The real problem, we civil society IUsers (informed users) face is 
>the uncertainty between now and end 2015. Every technical 
>development we can engage and innovation we can propose must stay 
>away from the IETF technology, because derivative works can be 
>legally objected in US courts.
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