[discuss] BNA article on Internet transition by US Ambassador Sepulveda and US DoC Assistant Secretary Strickling

manning bill bmanning at isi.edu
Mon Mar 24 18:05:43 UTC 2014

so….   in other fora, it was common practice for masters and graduate students to post questions to the list in an attempt to get practical,
pragmatic, correct answers to questions posed by their professors.  This resulted in a fairly common response, “we will not do your homework for you”.

Michael has stated that his job is to publish material generated from this list and so it is in his best fiscal interest to generate controversy and dissent,
which makes for marketable reporting.    I have no desire to “facilitate” his work unless he starts paying royalties.

Neca eos omnes.  Deus suos agnoscet.

On 24March2014Monday, at 10:43, Jefsey <jefsey at jefsey.com> wrote:

> At 16:44 24/03/2014, joseph alhadeff wrote:
>> Comments inline.
>> On 3/24/2014 11:01 AM, Michel Gauthier wrote:
>>> At 03:51 24/03/2014, joseph alhadeff wrote:
>>>> How would you deal with the desire of a number of governments/organizations to internationalize rather than globalize Internet Governance without the controls that NTIA has placed on the transition?
>>> Joseph,
>>> Could you explain which control?
>> Perhaps conditions of transfer would be a better phrase than controls. The need for it to be multistakeholder, continued stability etc.
> Michel is posing questions. Let facilitate his work. The question among ourselves is what if the NTIA decides that the conditions are not met. They take everything back and they disavow the work done by ICANN to prepare the transfer, so they cannot claim anymore that ICANN is mature enough to take over. Embarassing. So, Fadi can take his time to show he is the boss. And do it his own way. What if Sao Paulo turns to be a Dubai Bis for the US?
> The only possibility to avoid instability I see in this case is the homeRoot and VGNs as being an complementary solution acceptable to everyone without anyone losing the face. But it has to be prepared.
>>> Some people feel that NTIA only defaulted its inability to address the situation on Steve Crocker. They took the word of ICANN claiming they were an "MS" (whatever it mey means, it is fashionable) proven expert to decide they were mature enough to take over the "Internet CARE" before it becomes too much an International burden. Don't you?
>> I only see them turning over the consultation process to ICANN to convene the groups that may suggest the solution, I wasn't reading this as making ICANN the solution to everything.
> Well, you know the way ICANN works, i.e. the way the NTIA use to use ICANN. This whole thing is prepared since September, and probably earlier. Actually, OpenStand was signed in mid-2012, Then Dubai. Then Snowden was hired, spent three months as a BAH consultant while Fadi negociated his part, then Edward had his tour in China and Russia, while Fadi joined ICANN, Dilma had her show in NY, then ICANN joined in Montevideo, etc. all these things takes time to be planned, reviewed, agreed, organized, settled ....
>> And I think all of need to have role in that process it cannot just be the various stakeholders inside ICANN.
> Actually, what they need is an approval of the GAC and a brillant support by ALAC.
>>>> Seems to me that the sense of the list for a solution was what they have offered...
>> I understand your mistrust of the system, but this is where I am interested in seeing the game play our.  I am usually the cynical one in the room, but I admit that on on this list I'm a rosy optimist :-)
> Why not? Things look positive for everyone for the US/OECD stakeholders and Govs. Putin will agree to Montevideo against Crimea. China does not mind much the ICANN DNS I suppose. The whole world might well be OK with that status-quo. As an IUser I am not. Mainly because of all this reshuffling does not consider a position for us. We belong to the Multitude not to the MS.
> I fully understand that MS and Govs do not mind. The question is: how long people will stay titytainment consumers, to which speed they will become customers, how many will become active IUsers. Enthusiastic IUsers can help for free a moderate development. Disapointed IUsers may lead to instability.
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