[discuss] A plea to refocus our efforts

[McTim]

+1 to all of Greg's comments below.

rgds,

McTim

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:17 AM, Shatan, Gregory S.
<GShatan at reedsmith.com> wrote:
> George:
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> I thank you for this and agree wholeheartedly with both your observations
> and your "List Etiquette and Expectations."  Three quick responses:
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> 1.  As others have already said, I am going to govern myself by these rules.
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> 2.  I would encourage the /1net steering committee to (a) formally adopt
> these rules and (b) appoint on or more moderators for some light moderation
> so that we don't all have to play policeman or suffer in silence.
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> 3.  I would add one more piece of etiquette: Don't cross-post, except to
> provide some basic information that needs to be disseminated widely (e.g.,
> NTIA announcement or Marca Civil), and even this should be avoided.  Don't
> cross-post opinions or anything that would require a response.  Don't
> cross-post replies.
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> I do hope we can focus and make the most of this list, which is (or can be)
> a great and unique resource for working through some very real problems.
> There is a great deal at stake in the real world, and being lured down blind
> alleys won't be useful to anyone.
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> Greg Shatan
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> From: discuss-bounces at 1net.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at 1net.org] On Behalf
> Of George Sadowsky
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:20 PM
> To: discuss at 1net.org List
> Subject: [discuss] A plea to refocus our efforts
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> All,
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> I have real concern regarding the future of this list.
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> There have now been more than 2,000 posts to the list.  I'm sure that they
> have been useful for a number of proposes, including edition for people who
> read the list, presentation of approaches to =Internet governance,
> clarification of views, definitions of problems, and approaches to solving
> them.
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> Yet for all of its richness for time to time, the ratio of signal to noise
> on the list has been quite low, and there has not been (in my opinion) any
> significant movement to defining and solving problems in internet
> governance.  I have observed the following:
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> - some detailed description of some historical periods in Internet
> technology
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> - significant theoretical discussion of issues in political science
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> - a schism between people who want to live with the current Internet and
> others who argue for a very different approach
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> - substantial circular arguments regarding political systems that appear to
> have as the goal the comparison and potential resolution of two particular
> people's points of view
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> - a great deal of negative feeling (both subtle and overt) directed at some
> people who post
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> - ad hominem, disdainful, impolite and destructive attacks with no stated
> basis of fact
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> - substantial ignorance of the Internet coupled with a lack of willingness
> to learn from other posts
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> The combined effect of these issue has been to paralyze the list's ability
> from time to time to address real problems in Internet governance.  The
> negative behavior and the lack of serious postings have caused a significant
> number of people to unsubscribe, when they could have contributed to the
> various discussions.
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> In short, we need to do better or this list will degenerate, much as similar
> lists have done in the past.   There seems to be a kind of Gresham's law
> (bad money drives out good money) operating here, where 'bad posts' drive
> out people who are interested in making 'good' posts.
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> This list has promise, and Internet governance needs help.   At present, we
> are wasting the opportunity that this list offers.
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> NTIA has asked ICANN to coordinate the search for a transfer of
> responsibility for the IANA functions away from the US Government to a new
> environment.  The search should involve a much larger community that just
> ICANN.  ICANN has said that the content of the 1net list will be a definite
> contribution to this search.  Therefore anyone with an Internet connection,
> regardless of time or place, can contribute to this conversation.
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> That's the potential value of this list.  Let's exploit it.
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> LIST  ETIQUETTE AND EXPECTATIONS
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> Based upon experience so far with this list, I'd like to suggest some
> possible guidelines for list use.
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> 1. The list has a purpose: it is an open, global online forum about Internet
> governance.  It encourages multiple stakeholder discussion regarding issues
> of Internet governance, with a view to finding solutions for the myriad of
> Internet governance issues that now exist.
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> 2. Posts to the list should be consistent with the objective of the list.
> Ideally, most threads should start with an issue, and subsequent posts
> should move the thread toward a solution (whether a solution is ultimately
> reached or not).
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> 3. Everyone on this list has a right to be heard, by posting on this list.
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> 4. When posting on the list, it's important to be respectful of the opinions
> of others, and to be as constructive as possible when offering your
> opinions.
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> 5. Successful posts use vocabulary that is simple and whose meaning is
> well-understood by readers of the list.  Successful posts are formatted
> with some care so that they are easily readable by others.
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> 6. Subject lines should clearly reflect the subject of the post. When posts
> diverge, the subject line should be changed.
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> 7. List readers have some obligation to review posts to the list, i.e. to
> listen, and to determine by themselves the value of the information posted.
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> 8. List readers have the right to _not_ listen to or respond to repeated
> posts with common themes that have already been posted, perhaps many times.
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> 9. If there are no responses to a post, posters should not assume that the
> material they have posted has been agreed to by readers.  People on the list
> generally have busy lives, and often will not respond to posts.  Statements
> such as "no one on the list has refuted my statement yet" should not lead to
> the assumption that others agree with it.  It is equally likely that the
> post is judged to be incorrect or irrelevant. Readers have no obligation to
> correct erroneous material that has been posted to the list by others.
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> 10. When there are clearly divergent views on a subject that appear to be
> irreconcilable, then little is accomplished by continuing the conversation.
> It may be better for those participants to continue their discussion on
> separate lists.  Sometimes It's useful to do an approximate cluster analysis
> of the participants and their positions in order to identify like-minded
> groups that may be better off continuing their various discussions
> separately.
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> CONCLUSION
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> I would very much like to see some constructive responses to this post.  In
> the next day or so, I'll post an updated problem for possible discussion.
> To the extent that it generates discussion, I very much hope that it will be
> constructive and offer ideas that have relevance for attacking current
> issues in Internet governance.
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> Thank you for reading this post.
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> George Sadowsky
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