[discuss] [governance] Springer vs. Google

Mon May 5 09:07:47 UTC 2014

Hello Jean,
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global
Journal <jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net> wrote:

> Dear Wolfgang,
>
> We should all regret that the media didn't come together against Google on
> this.
>
> The battle is not between Döpfner and Schmidt: it is between the media at
> large and Google. All over Europe, and beyond, the same battle is raging.
> It is unseen in History that one single media uses other media contents for
> its own benefit, and is hardly sharing a tiny part, for those media strong
> enough to complain and sometimes obtain a bit more. Google considers that
> it '*gives back*' by linking the aggregated content to their original
> source. In many case this bring petty money. With a model that would find a
> balance with 60% advertising and 40% content revenues, Google has now taken
> by 15 to 30% of these advertising revenues away from the media. And we know
> that Google model is even not secure, as the per-click is losing its value
> everyday. Over the last quarter, Google click value has lost 9%, meaning
> that its model might not be sustainable.
>

Any reference to this report and to whom was the 9% lost to?

>
> Concentration is killing media, diversity of media, diversity of opinion,
> reduction of debate within our societies. Concentration, and dominatio are
> bad to democracy, endangering the fragile balance any society is trying to
> keep aloft.
>
> Okay

> In its annual financial report, Google shows in a very un-detailed
> fashion, a gross revenue that do not count what it gives back to other
> media. That is the normal standard accounting. Any revenue generated by a
> media, and given back as a commission to partners, should be included in
> its books. There is some obvious reason for Google to make it so.
>
>  It means:
> - Google makes much more revenues than what it declares (getting it closer
> to 100 B USD
>

Okay which is not a bad thing for a focused organisation

> - Still what is paid back by Google to each media does not match the
> economical requirement to be even for these media. Even with that pocket
> money the majority of media are either starving or dying. Great job. And
> still no public regulation, as we have had for the press, the radio or
> television. And it is not just the story of big fishes eating small fishes.
>

Okay i presume you are saying this from experience. My question though is,
how exactly is google making those folks lose their job? isn't it more like
a win-win situation in that if i need an information, i "google it" and
google directs me to a media page where i remain to view all necessary
information. So google wins by helping me know they are available to guide
me to the media location and the media wins by me getting to their post.

>
> I am happy with Google making profits. One cannot be happy with the
> desertification of media, and should look into all of that money that
> Google pushes around to secure its position all over the planet.
>
> Journalists might be to blame for losing some of their wit to explore,
> investigate the political and economical powers, becoming servants to the
> dominants. Still, the economical reading is clear. Google is destroying
> many jobs in that field.
>
> Indeed, i have a short story; Once upon a time the current richest man in
Africa (as announced by forbes) did something that made some loose their
job - One of his company that sells rice got an hint that another foreign
company is springing up to compete with their product. He then slashed the
market price of his rice by almost half so the new comer looses its
competitive ability and in no time packed up! Would you say that Dangote
was being unfair by doing that OR that he was being smart by loosing some
money to gain many more.
Google spends some money across the world and just like any other business
conscious organisation, they are in to make profit. There is just no room
for democracy in that!

Kind Regards

> *Dominatio* is not welcome to preserve social balance and justice.
>
> Jean-Christophe
>
>
>
> Le 5 mai 2014 à 10:00, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang a écrit :
>
> Hi,
>
> just FYI: The  battle between Mr. Döpfner (Springer is, inter alia, the
> publisher of the German tabloid BILD Zeitung) and Mr. Schmidt (Google) in
> Germany is not new, it is a very old one. It goes back to 2009 when
> Springer tried to convince the FDP-CDU government to establish a
> "Leistungsschutzrecht". With this law Springer wanted to have money for the
> snippets Google News (and other news aggregators) do publish from the
> newspapers owned by Springer.  With other words: A (German) one million
> dollar business wanted to have some money from another (American) million
> dollar business with the help of the government.  A delicate aspect of this
> is, that there was - in the background - a family linkage. There were two
> brothers: one worked in the establishment of Springer, the other one in the
> Chancellory. The guy from the government has now left the governmental
> office and works for BMW.
>
> I have my doubts whether Springer has any idea to strengthen the
> democratic multistakeholder Internet Governance model and to include civil
> society into Internet policy development and decision making. Users/readers
> were not asked when the parliament discussed the "Leistungsschutzrecht".
>
> Wolfgang
>
> ________________________________
>
> Von: discuss-bounces at 1net.org im Auftrag von Milton L Mueller
> Gesendet: Mo 05.05.2014 01:54
> An: michael gurstein
> Cc: '1Net List'
> Betreff: Re: [discuss] [bestbits] Shoshanna Zuboff: Dark Google
>
>
>
> Yes, the copyright interests and other threatened old media have been at
> war with Google for some time. Odd to see Mr. Gurstein siding with the MPAA
> and the book publishers, but when you have no consistent principles I guess
> the enemy of your enemy is your friend, etc.
>
>
>
> From: discuss-bounces at 1net.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at 1net.org] On
> Behalf Of michael gurstein
> Yes, that well known left wing conspiracy hack err the head of Axel
> Springer Corp (the largest publishing group in Europe) effectively calling
> for global regulation of Google (the monopoly provider of an increasing
> range of
>
>
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