[discuss] [At-Large] Statement to present at World Internet Conference @ Wuzhen

Mon Nov 17 14:00:18 UTC 2014

Dear JJ,

Thanks. I think "generally accepted" is the right phrase.

-James Seng

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Subrenat, Jean-Jacques <jjs at dyalog.net>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I suggest "generally accepted" instead of "generally acceptable". Here we
> are not saying that there is a doubt about some principles and that, in
> spite of that doubt, we find them "acceptable". On the contrary, we want to
> make the strong statement that the principles we defend are already
> "generally accepted", except in single-party countries such as North Korea.
>
> With this change, I would ask you to add my name. Thank you.
>
> Jean-Jacques Subrenat.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Mail original -----
> De: "Izumi AIZU" <iza at anr.org>
> À: "Pindar Wong" <pindar.wong at gmail.com>
> Cc: discuss at 1net.org, "James Seng" <james.seng at gmail.com>, "At-Large
> Worldwide" <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> Envoyé: Lundi 17 Novembre 2014 19:15:19
> Objet: Re: [At-Large] [discuss] Statement to present at World Internet
> Conference @ Wuzhen
>
> Agree with Pindar, and pls add my name.
> Thank you and see you there as I will join the WIC.
>
> Izumi
>
> 2014年11月17日月曜日、Pindar Wong<pindar.wong at gmail.com>さんは書きました:
>
> > Noted with understanding James.
> >
> > Perhaps consider adding a date and title of some sort, so that others may
> > easily refer to it.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > p.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:19 PM, James Seng <james.seng at gmail.com
> > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','james.seng at gmail.com');>> wrote:
> >
> >> I have send out an email with the updated statement in full.
> >>
> >> For many of us here who have been involved in many ways, I think we
> >> understand the differences between "NETmundial Multistakeholder
> Statement"
> >> published in April 2014 and "NETmundial Initiatives by WEF". But for a
> >> causal reader (or even just a reader armed with Google), NETmundial is a
> >> loaded word right now that may cause confusion.
> >>
> >> I rather we spend time to focus on the message we want to deliver and
> not
> >> get rope into the controversy revolving around NETmundial right now.
> >>
> >> Of course, please send me your feedback and if most agree to put it
> back,
> >> I will do so.
> >>
> >> We have 48 hours to the event.
> >>
> >> -James Seng
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Anne-Marie Eklund-Löwinder <
> >> anne-marie.eklund-lowinder at iis.se
> >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','anne-marie.eklund-lowinder at iis.se');>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>  I agree with Pindar, I would prefer to have the reference more
> >>> substantial.
> >>>
> >>>  Anne-Marie
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  Skickat från min HTC
> >>>
> >>> ----- Reply message -----
> >>> Från: "Pindar Wong" <pindar.wong at gmail.com
> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pindar.wong at gmail.com');>>
> >>> Till: "James Seng" <james.seng at gmail.com
> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','james.seng at gmail.com');>>
> >>> Kopia: "discuss at 1net.org
> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','discuss at 1net.org');>" <discuss at 1net.org
> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','discuss at 1net.org');>>, "At-Large
> >>> Worldwide" <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org');>>
> >>> Rubrik: [discuss] Statement to present at World Internet Conference @
> >>> Wuzhen
> >>> Datum: mån, nov 17, 2014 07:41
> >>>
> >>>  Well... looks arguable vague to me James. Which 'generally acceptable
> >>> Internet principles' do you refer to?
> >>>
> >>> Whereas April's NETmundial.br referenced earlier had a clear process
> and
> >>> clear outcome captured in a public document.
> >>>
> >>> p.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:29 PM, James Seng <james.seng at gmail.com
> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','james.seng at gmail.com');>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>  I intent to modify the statement to:
> >>>>
> >>>>  "We, the undersigned, sincerely invite the leaders of the Chinese
> >>>> Internet Community to recognize the generally acceptable Internet
> >>>> principles as a base upon which to build for the Internet in China."
> >>>>
> >>>>  Would that be okay?
> >>>>
> >>>>  -James Seng
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Pindar Wong <pindar.wong at gmail.com
> >>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pindar.wong at gmail.com');>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>  Thank you Dave.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  For those of us in Hong Kong, your signature is especially
> meaningful.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> p.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Dave Farber <dave at farber.net
> >>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dave at farber.net');>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Ok I'll sign it
> >>>>>>  On Nov 16, 2014 8:21 PM, "Pindar Wong" <pindar.wong at gmail.com
> >>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pindar.wong at gmail.com');>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>   It would be really good if you could also sign it Dave.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  May I suggest then to change the text from
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 'to take the principles of NETmundial and to build upon them for
> the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Chinese Internet.'
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> to:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 'to take the principles of NETmundial.br of April 2014
> >>>>>>> <
> http://netmundial.br/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/NETmundial-Multistakeholder-Document.pdf
> >
> >>>>>>> and to build upon them for the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Chinese Internet.'
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  This would avoid the 'confusingly similar' ;) NETmundial
> Initiative
> >>>>>>> (NMI).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As far as the later, I believe the ISOC BoT had this so say
> >>>>>>> yesterday:-
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> http://internetsociety.org/news/internet-society-statement-netmundial-initiative
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  p.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 8:29 AM, DAVID J. FARBER <farber at gmail.com
> >>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','farber at gmail.com');>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  If you add the term original bazilian netmundir rather than the
> >>>>>>>> ambiguioius just netmundie, I would like to sign it. I want to
> >>>>>>>> distinguished from the current suggestions .
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  On Nov 15, 2014 10:18 AM, "Christopher Wilkinson" <
> >>>>>>>> lists at christopherwilkinson.eu
> >>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lists at christopherwilkinson.eu');>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> James:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  You may add my name to the list of signatories:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  Regards
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  Christopher Wilkinson 秦基辅
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  On 14 Nov 2014, at 07:51, Pindar Wong <pindar.wong at gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pindar.wong at gmail.com');>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>   Dear James,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Perhaps also consider that your recommendation be reworded as
> >>>>>>>>> follows:-
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "Specifically, we would like to highlight the following
> >>>>>>>>> recommendations to:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Preserve Internet as an innovation environment based on open and
> >>>>>>>>> distributed architecture;
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Develop the Internet as an unified and unfragmented space based
> on
> >>>>>>>>> end-to-end open Internet and adoption of IPv6;
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Promote open standards made by rough consensus of the global
> >>>>>>>>> technical community;
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Uphold the security, stability and resilience of the Internet
> >>>>>>>>> through strong cooperation among different stakeholders;'
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  Also perhaps this friendly amendment:-
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 'Support the evolving Internet governance ecosystem by building
> >>>>>>>>> upon existing multi-stakeholder processes ensuring meaningful and
> >>>>>>>>> accountable *participation*.'
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>  m2c,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> p.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:43 PM, James Seng <
> james.seng at gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','james.seng at gmail.com');>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, very good point. It should be Internet in China.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 13, 2014, WUKnoben <
> >>>>>>>>>> wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de
> >>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de
> ');>>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> With regards to para 3, I wonder whether making reference to
> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> “Internet in China” instead of the “Chinese Internet” would
> make the global
> >>>>>>>>>>> approach of the statement more clear.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Wolf-Ulrich
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>  *From:* James Seng
> >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 12, 2014 5:43 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>> *To:* At-Large Worldwide ; mailto:discuss at 1net.org
> >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [discuss] Statement to present at World Internet
> >>>>>>>>>>> Conference @ Wuzhen
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>   Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> A couple of us have prepared a statement (as attached) to
> >>>>>>>>>>> present at the World Internet Conference @ Wuzhen next week.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Any suggestions to the statements are welcome.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> If you are willing to add your name to the statement, please
> >>>>>>>>>>> drop me an email.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> -James Seng
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>  ------------------------------
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> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  --
> >>>>>>>>>> -James Seng
> >>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>   --
> >>>>  -James Seng
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> -James Seng
> >>
> >
> >
>
> --
>                      >> Izumi Aizu <<
> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo
> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,
> Japan
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