<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" /></head><body dir="auto"><p dir="ltr">... Which type of abuse was made much, much harder due to the weighted proportional voting system in use there. My statement is accurate.</p>
<p dir="ltr">As to your last sentence, when is that ever true? Politicians are routinely elected to major office and questions raised about their representational quality. </p>
<p dir="ltr">At-Large is like any other group of people from many walks of life who volunteer their time to collaborate, there are many motivations, interests, and levels of contribution. <br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Jorge Amodio <jmamodio@gmail.com> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><br /></div><div>I won't play the whistle blower role but I can assure that while you were employed by ICANN, not meaning that you were directly involved or ICANN "fixed" any elections, but it happen in a particular RALO because I witnessed first hand conversations on the back channels about how to get the necessary votes to get certain individuals elected.<br /><br />And the processes and machinery you say are in place do not guarantee that who claims to represent for example the end users, actually do so.</div><div><br />-Jorge</div><div><br />On Jan 3, 2014, at 2:07 AM, Nick Ashton-Hart <<a href="mailto:nashton@ccianet.org">nashton@ccianet.org</a>> wrote:<br /><br /></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><p dir="ltr">A big +1 to Olivier's comments. As one of the staff members at ICANN responsible for supporting At-Large I don't recognize Jorge's characterisation of AL at all. In particular, the idea that elections are 'fixed' is particularly untrue - the electoral
machinery and processes in that community are far more transparent, rules-based, and likely to produce truly representative results than anything I have seen in any other IG related process.</p>
<br /><br /><div class="gmail_quote">Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="k9mail">Dear Jorge,<br /><br />On 30/12/2013 06:13, Jorge Amodio wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> About representation, again taking ICANN as an example, and this is<br /> something I've been following for many years since the creation of<br /> ALAC, RALOs and ALSs, the mechanisms used to certify representation<br /> are so lax that you can get together with a bunch of friends or<br /> colleges, incorporate a non-profit entity, generate some activity,<br /> become an ALS, join a RALO, play some politics, get elected among<br /> friends that fix the election process in the background, and voila you<br /> are a new member of the club. And here is where the musical chairs<br /> game and multiple hats dance starts. The issue becomes to "belong"<br /> into the ecosystem, today I'm in ALAC, tomorrow I'm on NCSG, then<br /> GNSO, while not the GAC, next time I'll be chair of
something and<br /> perhaps get on the BoD, and given that I "belong" now I am an expert<br /> !! so I can teach about "Internet Governance" <br /></blockquote><br />Permit me to disagree with your characterisation of the ALAC and<br />At-Large Community. The people that serve on the ALAC and in various<br />committees work hard to experiment with the bottom-up multi-stakeholder<br />model which is not an easy ride every day. This has more in common with<br />pioneering masochism than with the "club" which you describe. Why don't<br />you get actively involved to sample the pain, headaches and occasional<br />satisfaction?<br /><br />Kind regards,<br /><br />Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond<br />ALAC Chair<br /><br /><hr /><br />discuss mailing list<br /><a href="mailto:discuss@1net.org">discuss@1net.org</a><br /><a href="http://1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss">http://1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a><br /></pre></blockquote></div><br />
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