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At 03:48 03/02/2014, Milton L Mueller wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">> I feel you support this
Brazil meeting a lot: what do you expect from > it as it is in less
than three months and totally unprepared in term > of agenda.
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Would you have accused the American and French revolutionaries of being
"totally unprepared?" An accurate charge, perhaps, but an
irrelevant one, no? When has anyone ever been "prepared" for
such things? When new things happen people are making it up as they go
along. Some of us embrace this heady stuff, others run and hide under
heir beds, others complain....</blockquote><br>
This is an interesting point of view, we should dig into. History tells
us the future. <br><br>
If we consider the French Revolution there was an MS meeting ("Etats
Generaux") that had been called by the King (Fadi as Louis XVI and
Dilma as Marie-Antoinette?). It had been prepared by the people's
documentation of their "doleances" (registers of grievances).
The Revolution started there and then became popular with a broad part of
the people before becoming Terror. Remember that Napoleon became
the nephew by marriage of Louis XVI (he married the niece of
Marie-Antoinette). Big revolutions are prepared and slow. This is Per
Bak's self-organized criticality. In the French case it included the
Napoleonic wars, a BIG balkanization (here the term is correct: Sarajevo
was a French prefecture) of the network<br><br>
In our case I see no register of grievances, however /1net was probably
meant to be an effort in that direction. Are you a candidate to play the
role of the Internet Marat, Danton or Roberspierre?<br><br>
If we consider the American Revolution, we see there was the Tea Party,
then the emergence of each state. I could compare this to the Open Roots.
The Bristish sticked to and tried to enforce a single authoritative
crown, and eventually failed.<br><br>
I do not see Sao Paulo as set to organize a World Internet Congress (that
is the IGF) nor Fadi Chehade as a Jefferson and the Montevideans as the
Internet Committee of Five.(ICANN, ISOC, IETF, IAB, NRO)<br><br>
You will remember that during the American Revolution everything depended
on the alliance of Washington's and Lafayette's troops. My feeling is
that in our case this is the alliance of Vint Cerf's and Louis Pouzin's
initial ideas and more recently the netix concept (whatever it can be)
allying posix and iternet.<br><br>
We already have two occurrences of it:<br><br>
- the American commercial OpenStand alliance at the manufacturers layer
[IEEE and the I*people Fadi's ICROWN tries to become the leader]
documented by Russ Housley as a successor of Dave Clarke, Brian
Carpenter, John Klensin ...<br>
or/and <br>
- the French civil society "IUsers" (I-Minute-Men?
I-snow-shoes, Lead Users) proposition of JFC<br><br>
Will they ally? That looks like the IUCG@IETF? Will JFC continue his
appeal against RFC 6852 because it does not provide a MS conciliation in
case of technical/societal conflict? <br><br>
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<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">> Or should we see it as a
ministerial BarCamp? </blockquote><br>
Forget the ministers....belly up to the Bar...try not to be too camp
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I mean the unpreparation of "an international network of
user-generated
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconference">unconferences</a>
primarily focused around technology and the Web"
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp" eudora="autourl">
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp</a>.<br><br>
I also refered to the "Camp du Drap d'or" (Field of the Cloth
of Gold) between King Fadi and Queen Dilma. Please remember that the
Chesapeake Bay and Austerlitz were French victories which concluded both
revolutions. And that in both cases what came afterward (Snowden and
Waterloo) implied the British involvment :-) after many other great and
smaller countries were involved.<br><br>
I also refered to the NetixBarCamp announced by JFC for this summer. It
will be interesting to see the preparation and the outcome of such an
individual initiative.<br><br>
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Your remark was full of teaching and interesting images and metaphores.
Internet as the Vint Washington and Louis Lafayette convergence and
I-Minutemen against the ICROWN are definitly interesting analogies. We
could remember that a significant opposition to the French Jacobine
revolution has been Dom Pedro's independance of Brazil. Will the circle
close in Sao Paulo.<br><br>
M G<br><br>
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