<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Dominique<div><br></div><div>I’ll try to respond to this. It does involve personal views. See comments in-line.<div><br><div><div>On Feb 20, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Dominique Lacroix <<a href="mailto:dl@panamo.eu">dl@panamo.eu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear George and Gregory,<br>
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You're right. One cannot prove an absence. It recalls the
beginning of Irak invasion... where the USA asked for evidences
that there were not any
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<span class="st">weapon of mass destruction<em>.</em></span><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>A particularly good example from which we are still all suffering.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div class="moz-cite-prefix">
But here, I only invite you to prove that Patriot Act and NSA
abusing surveillance don't exist, as I invoked them both as
evidences.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>This is a matter of opinion. I believe that the Patriot Act contains some dangerous language that I wish was not there.</div><div><br></div><div>I believe that the NSA surveillance has gotten out of hand, and I hope that it can be controlled.</div><div><br></div><div>Others may believe otherwise.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div class="moz-cite-prefix">
And Michel Gauthier precisely listed some links between the root
management and US surveillance.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>He provided some facts that did not seem to be relevant. He listed some questions. I believe that he provided no evidence of any such linkage. Now, it’s clear that there has been psychological and political damage to trust, in various ways, that link the two in peoples’ minds, but that says nothing about whether there is actual linkage.<br><blockquote type="cite"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div class="moz-cite-prefix">
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CODE is a sort of <span class="st">weapon of mass destruction if
one country centralizes its production rules.</span><br>
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Now, I can understand that with good faith you could consider
things in another way.<br>
This problem as also several layers.<br>
If you prefer, you could consider that the whole
economic-socio-technical US system is wandering, without really
checking the agreements of the others, in a worldwide shape &
control logic. The most part of US actors of this system cannot
see it because their are inside the box, just doing - very well -
one's job, a very little part of the whole. It works like
hypnosis, like possession by a sorcerer power. It's a power of
technique well known by some philosophers.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Yes, I can understand your distinction between being in the box and therefore being acclimatized to the culture and not realizing that people outside the box have a different view. I travel to other countries often, and one of the real benefits of that travel is to understand how people on other countries view the US. I suspect that’s true for every sensitive traveller in a foreign environment. </div><div><br></div><div>George</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div class="moz-cite-prefix">
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@+, best, Dominique<br>
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Le 19/02/14 21:44, George Sadowsky a écrit :<br>
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<pre wrap="">Dominique,
You’re asking me to prove a negative. I can’t do that, can you ?
The Patriot Act is a piece of domestic legislation that contains points that I both agree with and disagree with. It does not involve the IANA function or the root zone files. It does legislate tighter controls (surveillance) over certain activities.
The NSA revelations are cause for concern as a surveillance issue. But I don’t see that you imply that they are connected with the IANA functions or the root zone files.
Perhaps you could be more specific regarding the evidence for linkages between the two.
George
On Feb 19, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Dominique Lacroix <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dl@panamo.eu"><dl@panamo.eu></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">In particular, I would assert that the real link between the NSA revelations and technical management of the root is the perception that both involve the same country, the USA. I would claim that there is no technical linkage between the two. Those that believe there is such a linkage have the obligation to describe in detail, with evidence, exactly what they believe that linkage is.
There is also a perception that ICANN and therefore the IANA function being located in the USA have given the NSA an advantage in being able to carry out their various surveillance activities. I asset that this is not true. Those that believe there is such a linkage have the obligation to describe in detail, with evidence, exactly what they believe that linkage is.
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<pre wrap="">Dear George and Shatan,
I usually don't share all Jefsey's visions (cause either I cannot understand them or I have no time enough to read their abstracts). But on this point I fear YOU have to give the world some evidence. Otherwise you could appear as trying to reverse the burden of proof.
The Patriot Act + NSA revelations ARE evidences for the whole world.
That is the very sad and tricky situation we have to face.
@+, best, Dominique
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