<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Sounds like the Tower of Babel..:)</div><div><br></div><div>I guess they must learn to be Frenemies (and yes that includes us Private Sector types!) :)<br><br><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);">Ali Hussein</span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">+254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113</div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div>"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein</div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><br></span></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Feb 27, 2014, at 9:56 AM, Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span></span><br><span>Hi,</span><br><span></span><br><span>Sounds interesting.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I guess that is why I have often had trouble as I consider myself as belonging to both of these communities.</span><br><span></span><br><span>avri</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>On 27-Feb-14 03:13, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Here's the abstract of a a fun lightning talk that I'l be giving at</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>APRICOT 2014 today. Recognise these stereotypes?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> To techies, "civil society" is a useless concept, referring to a</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> bunch of failed career politicians who lack a basic understanding of</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> the technology behind the Internet, have no legitimacy to represent</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Internet users, and litter their conversation with stupid acronyms</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> like "WSIS", "MDGs" and "LDCs".</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> To civil society, the technical community are a bunch of</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> narrow-minded libertarian geeks, who can't (or refuse to) understand</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> the policy dimensions of technology, or how it is shaped by power</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> and money, and who litter their conversation with stupid acronyms</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> like "BGP", "MPLS" and "DNSSEC".</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> However, the future of the Internet depends on the two sides</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> learning to get along. Both need to recognise their own limitations,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> and the value of what the other side has to contribute. Civil</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> society and the technical community may hate each other sometimes,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> but could they really be a perfect match?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Watch this lightning presentation live at</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://apnic.adobeconnect.com/apricot2014-room1/">http://apnic.adobeconnect.com/apricot2014-room1/</a> from 2pm local</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Malaysian time.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>--</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>host -t NAPTR 5.9.8.5.2.8.2.2.1.0.6.<a href="http://e164.org">e164.org</a> <<a href="http://e164.org">http://e164.org</a>>|awk -F!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>'{print $3}'</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>WARNING: This email has not been encrypted. You are strongly recommended</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>to enable encryption at your end. 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