<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>+1</div><div></div><div>I decided not to take the survey, out of caution, since the questions seemed to be aligned with a particular position. I agree with Gregory that this is a non-starter. </div><div>It would take more time to understand and evaluate all the implications of any response given to each question. </div><div>It is better to do nothing rather than to add to a general feeling of mistrust that could sip into the \1net initiative. How could we avoid adding to the confusion in the future? Could the SG consult with members on this list (a few sample questions of the survey presented for approval) before publishing the entire survey on the site?</div><div> </div><div>Nathalie</div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div
style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "Shatan, Gregory S." <GShatan@ReedSmith.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> 'Ian Peter' <ian.peter@ianpeter.com>; Nick Ashton-Hart <nashton@ccianet.org>; "discuss@1net.org" <discuss@1net.org> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Ross Schulman <RSchulman@ccianet.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, March 4, 2014 11:16 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [discuss] Proposal for a 1net statement to NetMundial<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv4694623154">
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<div class="yiv4694623154MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">I just took the “survey”. I found it to be quite slanted and full of leading/loaded questions/statements. Many of the questions/statements have hidden agendas
and previously staked-out positions attached to them, which are not identified. In that vein, many of the statements tend to be “battle slogans,” while others sound like idealistic, “milk and apple pie” statements but are really aligned with a particular
position. The “spin” on these questions/statement makes me dizzy. Where are the questions stating the opposite positions in the affirmative (which would be consistent with good survey design, as I understand it)?</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4694623154MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Even the answer protocol is suspect, in that it is intended to herd respondents toward affirmative responses to the statements, most if not all of which are
aligned with a particular worldview.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4694623154MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">As a draft manifesto, it is probably a good start. As a neutral survey, it is a non-starter.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4694623154MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">(I was a Sociology/Psychology major in college, and I have worked with survey experts from time to time, so I’ve had some exposure to survey design issues,
but I am no expert. If I were one, I probably would be even more concerned/dismayed.)</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4694623154MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">That aside, these statements and the concepts underlying them would need to be fleshed out over some time through debate and drafting (and with reference to
constituent organizations where needed) before any kind of statement could be made. Accommodations for a minority view would probably need to be made as well…. The discussions up to this point have laid much groundwork, of course, but they certainly haven’t
resulted in any kind of /1net position on any issue (nor have they been intended to).</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4694623154MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Greg Shatan</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4694623154MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> discuss-bounces@1net.org [mailto:discuss-bounces@1net.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ian Peter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 04, 2014 5:20 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nick Ashton-Hart; discuss@1net.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ross Schulman<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [discuss] Proposal for a 1net statement to NetMundial</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4694623154MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">> While this is a constructive process, it comes far, far too late:</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4694623154MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">Have to agree unfortunately.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4694623154MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">I think there is no way civil society could agree to this in time for a March 8 deadline even if it were final and totally agreeable now (which it isn’t). Some individuals might
like to sign on to a revised version, but I don’t think it can be called a 1net statement. A statement by participants of 1net who care to sign, perhaps.
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<div class="yiv4694623154MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;">
<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nashton@ccianet.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nashton@ccianet.org" title="nashton@ccianet.org">Nick Ashton-Hart</a>
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<div class="yiv4694623154MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;"> Tuesday, March 04, 2014 7:38 PM</span></div>
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<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:discuss@1net.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:discuss@1net.org" title="discuss@1net.org">mailto:discuss@1net.org</a>
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<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:RSchulman@ccianet.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:RSchulman@ccianet.org" title="RSchulman@ccianet.org">Ross Schulman</a>
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<div class="yiv4694623154MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;"> [discuss] Proposal for a 1net
statement to NetMundial</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4694623154MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">While this is a constructive process, it comes far, far too late:</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4694623154MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">* Many of us have said repeatedly that we need time in order to go back to our organisations to authorise statements before we can be associated with them. There is no possibility
we will be able to do that in the time available.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4694623154MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">* As the industry participants on the steering committee have repeatedly said, they are not representatives but liaisons and need to be able to go back to their community before
major decisions are taken. Whilst CCIA is in the perhaps unique position that three of our members are represented on the steering committee, I’m sure that’s not the case for the vast majority of industry here and I’m sure that even for us, it is necessary
for us to go back to the whole membership before signing on to something as high-profile as this is. So, suggesting that the steering committee can commit on behalf of all stakeholders everywhere is simply a non-starter (and I don’t believe industry’s situation
is unique, either).</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4694623154MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">If this had started two weeks ago, it would perhaps have been just enough time - barely - to get the process done. A month ago would have been much better. A matter of days doesn’t
begin to be possible. I’ve provided comments to the survey but only in an individual capacity.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4694623154MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">I would like to know if there was any advance notice of this? I don’t recall seeing anything on this list (but I do not follow it closely anymore so I might have missed it).</span></div>
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<b><span style="color:#006699;text-decoration:none;">/1net Forums</span></b></a> since we last saw you on 02-28-2014.
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<span style="color:black;">Recent posts the community enjoyed:</span></h3>
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<div class="yiv4694623154MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mandrillapp.com/track/click.php?u=30143381&id=db94d9ea201149868230d2317299c105&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.1net.org%2Ft%2Fhelp-to-create-a-1net-statement-for-netmundial%2F128&url_id=7f9d7eba43d43b5f3d70a8183e7511214e546870"><b><span style="color:#006699;text-decoration:none;">Help
to create a /1net statement for NetMundial</span></b></a> </span></div>
<div style="margin-left:11.25pt;margin-top:15.0pt;MAX-WIDTH:694px;">
<div><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;">Based on the feeling and importance that /1net should provide some kind of formal input to the NetMundial meeting in April, we have specifically developed a statement and process
to meet the tight deadline for submitting input (Saturday 8 March).</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;">The statement is built from the Montevideo Statement, and split up into the two themes of the NetMundial meeting. There shouldn't be anything in this statement that is controversial
or surprising if you have been following Internet governance discussions over the past four months.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;">A few quick things to note:</span></div>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;">Having a /1net statement should not in any way preclude people from sending their own input to the NetMundial meeting
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;">The statement should be viewed as the broad perspective on Internet governance issues from the /1net community. There is plenty of opportunity for more
in-depth discussions outside this singular event </span></div>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;">Given the tight deadline, we should as much as possible avoid suggestions that others will disagree with
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<div><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;">Process of converging on the content of the statement:</span></div>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;">An online survey gives everyone the opportunity to review each sentence within the draft statement. You can simply agree with it (obviously the preferred
response), you can "Agree but…" and provide some brief feedback, or you can disagree and explain why you feel would need to change to the wording in order for you to agree.
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;">That survey will run from now until the end of Tuesday (23:45 UTC),<br>
at which point it will close. </span></div>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;">The results from the survey will be analyzed to see what changes<br>
could be made to accommodate different views - and statistics<br>
released to show what the feedback was (comments will be published<br>
but not attributed). </span></div>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;">On Thursday, a reformed statement will be put to a second survey sent<br>
to Steering Committee members who will act as representatives of<br>
their stakeholder groups in deciding yes or no to specific<br>
statements. </span></div>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;">That survey will close Friday and /1net coordinator Adiel Akplogan<br>
will review the results and decide what can be put forward to the<br>
NetMundial meeting as representative of /1net's view. </span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;">It is far more rushed than is ideal but given the fact that there is only this week to reach agreement, hopefully you will all see the value in responding quickly and constructively.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;">You can find the survey and the statements at:
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<b><span style="color:#006699;text-decoration:none;">https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/1net-netmundial</span></b></a></span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;">Please note that the survey will automatically close at 23.45 UTC on Tuesday 4 March.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;">Thank you for your input in advance.</span></div>
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