<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>It would be helpful for the proponents of the proposal then not dismiss out our hand any criticisms as uninformed or a root cause of not having read the proposal... A large number of people of have raised oversight and separation of duties as questions not sufficiently answered. Repeating the same dismissal of those concerns as uninformed because there is a contract and it is inconceivable that 100 separate entities could ever be aligned in their own self interest is not helpful. If you want a fair hearing you have to give one too. This list was meant to facilitate an exchange of ideas not their imposition by a war of attrition of who can post more messages. We would substantially increase list participation if we would all recall that.</div><div><br></div><div>Joe <br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Mar 3, 2014, at 11:03 AM, James Seng <<a href="mailto:james.seng@gmail.com">james.seng@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I don't think Milton mean the way as you suggested. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">The USG oversight of root zone has been a long standing "problem" (politically) and that release of control is long overdue, been extended again and again, as it has been suggested that there is no mechanism for USG.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">So Milton proposal is the one of the more reasonable ones I seen that explain the problem clearly with a guidance of the principles of how such control can be safely transferred to another organisation that continues with the stability and continuity of the Internet. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Hence, I agree and support the structure and the principles as described by Milton's paper. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">If this proposal is adopted, I don't think anyone here including Milton is naive to think it will be adopted wholesale. I believe politically for USG to relinquish its control is that it is somehow still involved in the oversight. But if USG is involved, then we get another big elephant in the room "Which other government should be involved?"</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">In anycase, it is a start, however slim chance I think it would be adopted in its existing form. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">-James Seng​</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:49 PM, Nick Ashton-Hart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nashton@ccianet.org" target="_blank">nashton@ccianet.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">Dear Milton, while is is useful of course to contribute proposals, suggesting that other parties must accept them wholesale and only propose 'quibbles' of change doesn't seem to me an approach that inspires confidence.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><div class=""><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 3 March 2014 14:52, Milton L Mueller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Even if there are quibbles about the details of the proposal, we look forward to gaining agreement on those principles, and are willing
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